Tony Martin era Black Sabbath

CAIRATH · August 1st, 2006, 09:39 AM

So yes, I was bored and decided to venture into post-Dio era to see what some of the lesser mentioned Sabbath sounds like and went to check out the two albums from the first Tony Martin period.

I'm curious what people's opinions on these records are. They have a very typical overproduced 80's rock/metal sound to them, and are much more epic than anything Sabbath has done before that (epic could be replaced with cheesy, I suppose). But they're catchy and the riffing is still thick as ever. They are not on the same level as earlier Sabbath (though better than Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die in my opinion) but I think they are quite fun to listen to in a catchy heavy metal sort of way.

So, good? Mediocre? Horrible? Guilty pleasure?

soundave · August 1st, 2006, 09:49 AM

It's pretty easy to be better than TE or NSD...

Powers · August 1st, 2006, 10:21 AM

Ozzy era - Classic Sabbath, brilliant.

Dio era - Technically the best, but not pure Sabbath, will always be maligned for this reason.

Anything after - Mediocre at best.

daz436 · August 1st, 2006, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Powers

Ozzy era - Classic Sabbath, brilliant.

Dio era - Technically the best, but not pure Sabbath, will always be maligned for this reason.

Anything after - Mediocre at best.

Agreed.

Arjen W. · August 1st, 2006, 12:20 PM

I really love those albums! Anno Mundi, The Lawmaker, When Death Calls... Just a few of the songs I really like. The albums are pretty much never talked about, I even learned from this thread that it's a controversial thing to be liking? I wouldn't call it a guilty pleasure myself, I think those two albums have some kickass songs and I'm not ashamed of anyone knowing.

Abhorsen · August 1st, 2006, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Powers

Ozzy era - Classic Sabbath, brilliant.

Dio era - Technically the best, but not pure Sabbath, will always be maligned for this reason.

Anything after - Mediocre at best.

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arzachel · August 1st, 2006, 02:58 PM

lol @ post-Dio Sabbath. The 'Born Again' cover is pretty kv1t tho. :immortal:

opethmaniac · August 1st, 2006, 04:49 PM

Tyr is a pretty good album at my eyes...as different from the other Black Sabbath stuff as Never Say Die is too !! And I do enjoy NSD a lot more then Sabotage, for instance...
Never listened to Headless Cross though...

soundave · August 3rd, 2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by opethmaniac

Tyr is a pretty good album at my eyes...as different from the other Black Sabbath stuff as Never Say Die is too !! And I do enjoy NSD a lot more then Sabotage, for instance...
Never listened to Headless Cross though...

WTF?!? Really? You like NSD better than Sabotage? Wow... Sabotage has always been one of my faves... I would be surprised if many people felt the same way as you. What's better about NSD iyo?

arzachel · August 3rd, 2006, 05:47 PM

the title tracks owns, the rest however ranges from average to unbelieveably awful.

NFU · August 3rd, 2006, 05:47 PM

sabotage is hands down better than never say die. it shouldnt even be discussed.

Abhorsen · August 3rd, 2006, 09:33 PM

What these last two dudes said.

August 1st, 2006, 09:39 AM	#1 (permalink)
CAIRATH Astral Disaster Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: R'lyeh Posts: 2,957	Tony Martin era Black Sabbath So yes, I was bored and decided to venture into post-Dio era to see what some of the lesser mentioned Sabbath sounds like and went to check out the two albums from the first Tony Martin period. I'm curious what people's opinions on these records are. They have a very typical overproduced 80's rock/metal sound to them, and are much more epic than anything Sabbath has done before that (epic could be replaced with cheesy, I suppose). But they're catchy and the riffing is still thick as ever. They are not on the same level as earlier Sabbath (though better than Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die in my opinion) but I think they are quite fun to listen to in a catchy heavy metal sort of way. So, good? Mediocre? Horrible? Guilty pleasure?

August 1st, 2006, 10:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
Powers Good Morning USA! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sunderland, U.K. Posts: 2,153	Ozzy era - Classic Sabbath, brilliant. Dio era - Technically the best, but not pure Sabbath, will always be maligned for this reason. Anything after - Mediocre at best. __________________ Francine, you be very careful out there today, we're at terror alert orange! Which means something might go down somewhere in some way at some point in time.

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opethmaniac Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 555	Tyr is a pretty good album at my eyes...as different from the other Black Sabbath stuff as Never Say Die is too !! And I do enjoy NSD a lot more then Sabotage, for instance... Never listened to Headless Cross though... __________________ As long as the music's loud enough, we won't hear the world fallin' apart.

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NFU I love hip hop Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 7,332	sabotage is hands down better than never say die. it shouldnt even be discussed. __________________

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Abhorsen Long Distance Voyager Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: a house in the woods Posts: 500	What these last two dudes said. __________________

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soundave Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: MA Posts: 2,121	It's pretty easy to be better than TE or NSD...

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Arjen W. Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 975	I really love those albums! Anno Mundi, The Lawmaker, When Death Calls... Just a few of the songs I really like. The albums are pretty much never talked about, I even learned from this thread that it's a controversial thing to be liking? I wouldn't call it a guilty pleasure myself, I think those two albums have some kickass songs and I'm not ashamed of anyone knowing.

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arzachel Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 731	lol @ post-Dio Sabbath. The 'Born Again' cover is pretty kv1t tho. :immortal:

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arzachel Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 731	the title tracks owns, the rest however ranges from average to unbelieveably awful.