Is Novembers Doom the BEST band no one's heard of? - Page 2

NvmbrsDoom5 · November 29th, 2006, 09:35 AM

Thanks Aarohi, welcome to the forum!

dark world · November 29th, 2006, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by songless

headlining a tour with Agalloch and Saturnus seems like a good sign.
In fact, it's probably one of the best tour packages ever !!!

I can honestly say that it's the best show i've ever seen!

dan of bereavement · November 29th, 2006, 03:43 PM

ND are Bad Assed!
I too, think they definitely deserve more credit.

I still can't see any connection to Nortt or even Morgion whatsoever.

What I like about them: The song structures, chord progressions, production, guitar sound, vocals, lyrics and over all vibe, add to that that they are a great bunch of guys and kick ass live.

Though I can hear some influences, I can't compare them to anyone in particular. They are origional in there own right, and that is very hard to come by these days.

\m/

NvmbrsDoom5 · November 29th, 2006, 04:16 PM

We have our influences, and I'm quite proud of them, and don't mind people hearing them in our songs. It's only that most people never get them right!

It's gotten to the point where I can pretty much figure it out now, like a little system of how it works.

Like when people say "I hear an Anathema "Silent Enigma" influence", in truth it's probably our Celtic Frost influences showing through, because "Silent..." is quite influenced by that as well. See what I mean?

Anyhow, it doesn't really bother me, as long as people think it's good

dan of bereavement · November 29th, 2006, 05:25 PM

it's good! lol

Phoenix5 · November 29th, 2006, 10:06 PM

I see some Red Hot Chili Peppers influence....

Disillusion · December 6th, 2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenneth R.

suffice to say, if people haven't heard ND they NEED to.

personally I think Anathema is underrated.

agreed! both statements

Jasonic · December 6th, 2006, 08:45 PM

Larry - Good point regarding hearing Frost through Anathema.
You can take that a step further and say, well, through Frost you might hear hints of Mercyful Fate and even some Sabbath, etc, etc.

Labeling a band is always dangerous.
I always laugh at the marketing approaches used by Victory Records these days. Now, they try to market all their bands to BOTH hardcore and metal audiences.

There will be some no-name hardcore band, and the CD will read, "For fans of Pantera, Shadows Fall, Sick of It All, Hatebreed, Killswitch Engage, Metallica, and Cradle of Filth" (Sounds ridiculous, but I have seen MANY CDs with that tag on them...)

Novembers Doom are unique in the fact that they don't sound like most US metal bands. Therefore, reviewers then almost have no choice but go to the better known bands, such as My Dying Bride, Opeth, Anathema, etc as a point of reference.

Not a bad league of bands to be compared to in my book......

NvmbrsDoom5 · December 7th, 2006, 10:36 AM

As I've said many times, being compared to or put in the same league with bands like MDB or Opeth is a compliment. It's when we're written off as being nothing more than a rip-off or third rate copy of those bands that I feel is very unfair. People should spend less time worrying about what genre something fits into (or doesnt), and worry less about who a band does or doesnt sound like, and just base their opinions on whether or not the music sounds good to their ears and entertains them. Period.

Jasonic · December 7th, 2006, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NvmbrsDoom5

It's when we're written off as being nothing more than a rip-off or third rate copy of those bands that I feel is very unfair.

Agreed. I think the reason why this would possibly happen is because ND are one of the few bands from North America who play a genre of metal that is predominately known by bands hailing from Europe.

Kind of the same reason why some US traditional metal bands like Jag Panzer for years have always been written off as Maiden clones.

To me, these are the bands that are truly the diamonds in the rough!!!

You guys are doing great. Glad to see the band getting much deserved recognition.

Danimal · December 7th, 2006, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by NvmbrsDoom5

...the music sounds good to their ears and entertains them. Period.

Novembers Doom sounds good to MY ears and definately entertains. Period.

Phoenix5 · December 7th, 2006, 09:12 PM

I think Sonata Arctica and Novembers Doom play off each other a lot. Tony K and Paul need to stop trying to copy each other.

And in the words of Chausser from A Knights Tale, "Without any further guilding the lilly..." /sarcasm

Novembers Paul · December 8th, 2006, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by D3v4S7A710N

I think Sonata Arctica and Novembers Doom play off each other a lot. Tony K and Paul need to stop trying to copy each other.

And in the words of Chausser from A Knights Tale, "Without any further guilding the lilly..." /sarcasm

Sarcasm noted, I've never heard Sonata Arctica. Are they a band I should check out?

stefan86 · December 8th, 2006, 04:56 AM

hahaha. Sonata Arctica are finnish ear torture

OPETH_DT · December 8th, 2006, 07:49 AM

I think they're power metal, Paul.

Simon Vallée · December 8th, 2006, 09:44 AM

Sonata Arctica is almost the standard band people think of when they think "Power Metal". Uplifting, very melodic and keyboard-dominated power metal (though their lyrics generally aren't D&D inspired and they've got lots of mid-tempo and slow songs).

Phoenix5 · December 8th, 2006, 10:44 AM

Sonata Arctica is Power Metal. I happen to like Tony K's voice.

They've done some awesome covers of great songs. Fade to Black, Wind Beneath My Wings (My favorite cover actually), etc..

dan of bereavement · December 8th, 2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by D3v4S7A710N

Sonata Arctica is Power Metal. I happen to like Tony K's voice.

They've done some awesome covers of great songs. Fade to Black, Wind Beneath My Wings (My favorite cover actually), etc..

as in "Did you ever know that you are my hero"? Ha ha ha ha! that song is refferenced every day at work lol. whenever one of us bricklayers trys to go fast, one of us sings that line, and it becomes the song stuck in everyones head all day! LOL.

That is indeed a great song with massive emotional power though.
They played that at my 14 year old cousins funeral and when it came on we all started crying.

Mort Divine · December 8th, 2006, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Novembers Paul

Sarcasm noted, I've never heard Sonata Arctica. Are they a band I should check out?

I don't mean to let my dislike for power metal to show here but if you want to retain an ounce of manhood avoid them

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Originally Posted by Sonata Arctica - Last Drop Falls

The moment I will step aside, you´re ready for another ride
Walking in the cool night air without underwear

Novembers Paul · December 9th, 2006, 12:18 PM

Thanks guys. OK, so from the replys, I will stay away from Sonata Artica. Im not at all a fan of power metal, so to be safe, it's better to not hear them.

salient · December 9th, 2006, 12:27 PM

Hear song from "Pale Haunt Departure", very impressed, they did some very close to early Katatonia, Opeth and Nortt somehow.

Phoenix5 · December 9th, 2006, 10:02 PM

Haha, hasn't this thread been on this sort of topic the entire time?

On a side note:

Salient, are you still depressed?

November 29th, 2006, 03:43 PM	#28 (permalink)
dan of bereavement shroud of bereavement Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Amesbury mass Posts: 2,929	ND are Bad Assed! I too, think they definitely deserve more credit. I still can't see any connection to Nortt or even Morgion whatsoever. What I like about them: The song structures, chord progressions, production, guitar sound, vocals, lyrics and over all vibe, add to that that they are a great bunch of guys and kick ass live. Though I can hear some influences, I can't compare them to anyone in particular. They are origional in there own right, and that is very hard to come by these days. \m/ __________________ "solace laughs on a distant shore, while the rest of us fight the ripping tide" -shroud of bereavement- www.myspace.com/shroudofbereavement

November 29th, 2006, 05:25 PM	#30 (permalink)
dan of bereavement shroud of bereavement Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Amesbury mass Posts: 2,929	it's good! lol __________________ "solace laughs on a distant shore, while the rest of us fight the ripping tide" -shroud of bereavement- www.myspace.com/shroudofbereavement

December 8th, 2006, 04:56 AM	#39 (permalink)
stefan86 invariably off-topic Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 42,519	hahaha. Sonata Arctica are finnish ear torture __________________ Desolator (Swedish Old School Death Metal): http://www.facebook.com/DesolatorSwe?ref=ts Ending Quest (Swedish Old School Death Metal): http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ending...46404308776819 Soliloquium (Death/Doom Metal): http://www.facebook.com/pages/Solilo...36215949804095

December 8th, 2006, 07:49 AM	#40 (permalink)
OPETH_DT Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: RHODE ISLAND (U.S.A.) Posts: 1,005	I think they're power metal, Paul. __________________ KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! FOR METAL!

December 8th, 2006, 09:44 AM	#41 (permalink)
Simon Vallée Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Boucherville, Québec Posts: 10	Sonata Arctica is almost the standard band people think of when they think "Power Metal". Uplifting, very melodic and keyboard-dominated power metal (though their lyrics generally aren't D&D inspired and they've got lots of mid-tempo and slow songs). __________________

November 29th, 2006, 09:35 AM	#26 (permalink)
NvmbrsDoom5 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,067	Thanks Aarohi, welcome to the forum!

November 29th, 2006, 04:16 PM	#29 (permalink)
NvmbrsDoom5 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,067	We have our influences, and I'm quite proud of them, and don't mind people hearing them in our songs. It's only that most people never get them right! It's gotten to the point where I can pretty much figure it out now, like a little system of how it works. Like when people say "I hear an Anathema "Silent Enigma" influence", in truth it's probably our Celtic Frost influences showing through, because "Silent..." is quite influenced by that as well. See what I mean? Anyhow, it doesn't really bother me, as long as people think it's good

November 29th, 2006, 10:06 PM	#31 (permalink)
Phoenix5 d3v4s7a710n Join Date: May 2005 Location: Nebraska Posts: 3,891	I see some Red Hot Chili Peppers influence....

December 6th, 2006, 08:45 PM	#33 (permalink)
Jasonic Doom On! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: West Burbs of Chicago Posts: 16,494	Larry - Good point regarding hearing Frost through Anathema. You can take that a step further and say, well, through Frost you might hear hints of Mercyful Fate and even some Sabbath, etc, etc. Labeling a band is always dangerous. I always laugh at the marketing approaches used by Victory Records these days. Now, they try to market all their bands to BOTH hardcore and metal audiences. There will be some no-name hardcore band, and the CD will read, "For fans of Pantera, Shadows Fall, Sick of It All, Hatebreed, Killswitch Engage, Metallica, and Cradle of Filth" (Sounds ridiculous, but I have seen MANY CDs with that tag on them...) Novembers Doom are unique in the fact that they don't sound like most US metal bands. Therefore, reviewers then almost have no choice but go to the better known bands, such as My Dying Bride, Opeth, Anathema, etc as a point of reference. Not a bad league of bands to be compared to in my book......

December 7th, 2006, 10:36 AM	#34 (permalink)
NvmbrsDoom5 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,067	As I've said many times, being compared to or put in the same league with bands like MDB or Opeth is a compliment. It's when we're written off as being nothing more than a rip-off or third rate copy of those bands that I feel is very unfair. People should spend less time worrying about what genre something fits into (or doesnt), and worry less about who a band does or doesnt sound like, and just base their opinions on whether or not the music sounds good to their ears and entertains them. Period.

December 7th, 2006, 09:12 PM	#37 (permalink)
Phoenix5 d3v4s7a710n Join Date: May 2005 Location: Nebraska Posts: 3,891	I think Sonata Arctica and Novembers Doom play off each other a lot. Tony K and Paul need to stop trying to copy each other. And in the words of Chausser from A Knights Tale, "Without any further guilding the lilly..." /sarcasm

December 8th, 2006, 10:44 AM	#42 (permalink)
Phoenix5 d3v4s7a710n Join Date: May 2005 Location: Nebraska Posts: 3,891	Sonata Arctica is Power Metal. I happen to like Tony K's voice. They've done some awesome covers of great songs. Fade to Black, Wind Beneath My Wings (My favorite cover actually), etc..

December 9th, 2006, 12:18 PM	#45 (permalink)
Novembers Paul Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 4,610	Thanks guys. OK, so from the replys, I will stay away from Sonata Artica. Im not at all a fan of power metal, so to be safe, it's better to not hear them. __________________ PAUL KUHR • Twitter • Facebook • MySpace NOVEMBERS DOOM • www.novembersdoom.com • Twitter • MySpace • Facebook • YouTube THESE ARE THEY • www.thesearethey.us • MySpace • Facebook • YouTube • Reverbnation

December 9th, 2006, 12:27 PM	#46 (permalink)
salient Moment of solace Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Foggy Town Posts: 1,029	Hear song from "Pale Haunt Departure", very impressed, they did some very close to early Katatonia, Opeth and Nortt somehow. __________________ City of lonelliness

December 9th, 2006, 10:02 PM	#47 (permalink)
Phoenix5 d3v4s7a710n Join Date: May 2005 Location: Nebraska Posts: 3,891	Haha, hasn't this thread been on this sort of topic the entire time? On a side note: Salient, are you still depressed?