Opeth lyrics are bad.

[Dammnare]

I dont know if this is true but I heard that in a interview,mike said that deliverance is about raping someone in the *ss.I LOLD at that moment it seemed so funny.Dont think thats true tho :P

What would he mean when he says " Deliverance " hmm ? :P

[philno]

Originally Posted by Defluo

Exactly, but as a few posters in this thread have done, people sometimes judge the quality or depth of content through the surface narrative alone and begin making assumptions such as "Opeth lyrics are bad" and the likes.



It gets abstract here but I have to disagree - the very idea of cheesiness in modern society is intrinsically flawed in my opinion. We live in an age of reason which accommodates an immensely cynical culture, a cynicism which dismisses innovative and authentic art if it isn't easily absorbed or happens to be within a traditional framework ie: Hope Leaves - 'There is a wound that's always bleeding'

A few centuries ago this line would be considered to be a beautiful metaphor. Now all people think is "cheese!" because it's considered to be cliche. My idea of cheese would be something which claims to have a depth that it doesn't, something false. In a globalized world where so much is available we have come to be much more demanding of the artist. I don't feel Mikael, or any artist, should have to alter his lyrics just to come off as being more original..let alone simplifying them for people who want a quick fix.

To those who think of Mikael's lyrics as being cheesy and/or shallow I ask these two questions:

Is the ocean, being something which is broadly accepted as being beautiful, cheesy?

Does the ocean lack depth because you can't see the bottom?

haven't laughed this hard in a while

[Nasty-Fire]

Originally Posted by Dammnare

I dont know if this is true but I heard that in a interview,mike said that deliverance is about raping someone in the *ss.I LOLD at that moment it seemed so funny.Dont think thats true tho :P

What would he mean when he says " Deliverance " hmm ? :P

Well actually, Mike's doing a lot of joke of this kind, which I find pretty funny due to his personnality. In the context of deliverance, I've alway thought it was about drowning someone in a hate/violence and love context. Someone beloved is drown, like if it was a need for the one who talks.("face down beneath the waterline, gazing into the deep", "from love to death in a timespan of seconds", "all over now forgotten why i needed this"). Read twice these lyrics and you shall understand the little story in it.

[Eternalnow]

Originally Posted by Defluo

Exactly, but as a few posters in this thread have done, people sometimes judge the quality or depth of content through the surface narrative alone and begin making assumptions such as "Opeth lyrics are bad" and the likes.



It gets abstract here but I have to disagree - the very idea of cheesiness in modern society is intrinsically flawed in my opinion. We live in an age of reason which accommodates an immensely cynical culture, a cynicism which dismisses innovative and authentic art if it isn't easily absorbed or happens to be within a traditional framework ie: Hope Leaves - 'There is a wound that's always bleeding'

A few centuries ago this line would be considered to be a beautiful metaphor. Now all people think is "cheese!" because it's considered to be cliche. My idea of cheese would be something which claims to have a depth that it doesn't, something false. In a globalized world where so much is available we have come to be much more demanding of the artist. I don't feel Mikael, or any artist, should have to alter his lyrics just to come off as being more original..let alone simplifying them for people who want a quick fix.

To those who think of Mikael's lyrics as being cheesy and/or shallow I ask these two questions:

Is the ocean, being something which is broadly accepted as being beautiful, cheesy?

Does the ocean lack depth because you can't see the bottom?

Appreciate the awesome reply!

Yes, you are right to an extent. But it really comes down to subjective opinion on what we each individually consider deep, intelligent, original etc. The fact that some lines/lyrics/sayings have become cliche (as trivial as it seems) has to be taken into consideration. Just like I can't write a guitar track that only utilizes two simple power chords and call it 'deep' or 'complex' (I *can*, but most would certainly NOT call it deep or complex), a vocalist cannot use cliche'd lyrics and expect me (speaking about only me here) to take it as something deep, intelligent or well thought out.

As an aside I know people that think Slipknot and Disturbed lyrics are deep, intelligent and well thought out. While that *may* be the case, I haven't felt anything from them. Who am I to judge, right?

I guess my expectations of all musicians (including myself) is to continually push the envelop and raise the bar. Granted, some musicians can't/won't or don't do this, and that is perfectly acceptable. Not everyone can be the leaders of the pack (of which regarding musicianship Opeth certainly are). But some of the Opeth lyrics seem too "willy-nilly" and lean too much towards sayings and phrases too commonely used in metal and rock. Don't get me wrong, there are some Opeth lyrics that blow me away with their power, emotion, clarity and revelations, but to say that every Opeth lyric is a godsend is, in my opinion incorrect. No offense to anyone who loves Opeth lyrics or to the writer of Opeth lyrics. I'm in no way implying that I am a great lyric writer or anything of the sort, but I do know what I like and I know what I think is deep/intelligent and I know what my ears/mind/spirit are attracted to. And yes, sometimes even the most simple and basic sounding stuff can actually resonate with depth and meaning, so much so that (as in the case of many pop artists) their lyrics are often ignored or treated as drivel because a great majority of its listeners just don't "get it".

Maybe I don't "get" the Opeth lyrics I deem cheesy or cliche, that could certainly be the case.

And just for further clarification, its not the fact that the Opeth lyrics are considered beautiful or common that they are cheesy, its some of the basic, mother goose rhyming that really doesn't jibe with me. Its not limited to Opeth lyrics, I am very critical of all singers/rappers/poets. But again, that is just my opinion and I could largely be missing the point of said lyrics.

Either way, I do find myself singing and growling along with Opeth tunes every day, and in many cases when I'm not even listening to it

[Eternalnow]

Originally Posted by Earthrot

It'd be funny if Mike saw this, and all the people actually discussing such a topic.

Yes it would, and I will still stand by my claims...I'm not afraid of him. I'm sure he can take some criticism, provided its not saturated with insults and ignorance.

[HoursOfDebt]

Originally Posted by opeth_353

THIS THREAD IS WHY AIDS EXISTS.

lmao

[HoursOfDebt]

Originally Posted by philno
lmao, first off, i know more about death metal and music in general than you and most of the people

Originally Posted by Lucifuge Rofocale

And that's where I stopped reading.

actually, if he is who i think he is... philno probably does know more about metal than you or me... but w/e

[Carey]

its maybe better not to understand everything you hear. You would only ruin your life.

[brownden]

Originally Posted by LexPWeller

(this is a very IMO thread)

I cannot see an intense process of creation behind them, nor true feelings, just the man with the dictionary on his desk, or rhymezone.com on the pc, looking for "the word that fits in". And they are always about the same old dark stuff...

go eat a bowl of dicks

[Illidan]

Originally Posted by Lucifuge Rofocale

Actually I think someone fucked a monkey, that's how aids exists.

ftr, it's more likely that someone ATE a monkey that had AIDS, and the meat wasn't cooked enough.

[Razzor7]

Originally Posted by Lucifuge Rofocale

Lol of course that's probably how it was documented.

"Well you were either eaten them or fuckin' them."

"Lol I was eaten them..."

What are the odds that the guy who fucks monkeys also fucks enough humans to spread the disease?