Orphaned Land  

Go Back   Ultimate Metal Forum > Official Metal Band Forums > Orphaned Land
Register FAQ Donate Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old February 14th, 2010, 01:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
Coon
Metalcry
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Madrid, Spain
Posts: 53
Rock/Metal Operas

Well, I'm a HUGE fan of Rock/metal operas. Sometimes this kind of releases get confused with concept albums: to make it clear I'll use and example:

Orwarrior is a CONCEPT album, but NOT a metal.
You need to have several characters and several singers to interpretate them to have a rock/metal opera, so probably the best known exampler for this nowadays is Avantasia. I'll make a list of the albums this kind I own:

Avantasia I, II, III (waiting for IV and V to be released this year)
Ayreon's whole carreer
Aina
Daniel Liverani's Genius I, II, III
Gary Hughes' Once and Future Kind I, II
Elfiskaya Rukopis I, II (This was EXTREMELY difficult to find)
Soulspell - A Legacy Of Honour (waiting for the II to be released this year)
Leonardo - The Absolute Man
Neverland - Reversing Time (A new one is coming this year)
Pandea - Soylent Green
Nikolo Kotzev - Nostradamus (one of the best albums I ever heard, waiting for Draconia to be released in 2011 or 2012)
Caamora - She (amazing album)
Andrew Lloyd Webber's - Jesuscrist Superstar (both in english and spanish)
Bajel - Bajel (South american - spanish, not the best effort ever exactly...)
Xystus & US Concert - Equilibrio (quite a good album)
Edgar Allan Poe: Legado de Una Tragedia (Spanish release, really interesting if you're into ehavy & power metal)
TSO complete carreer (in special Beethoven's Last Night and Night Castle are wonderful)
Merlin: The Rock Opera
Dawnrider - Fate Is Callin I (wonder if there would ever be a part II)
Pictorial Wand - A Sleeper's Awakening
Pictorial Wand - Face Of Our Fathers

I'm looking forward the release of:

Samuel Arkan - Origins
Opera Diabolicus - 1614
Charlemagne - By The Sword And The Cross (With Christopher Lee!!)

Searching the net and in particular the ProgArchives, I knew about a "collective" named Colossus Projects, that basically picks prog artists and bands from the finnish scene and make up prog rock operas based upon classic movies and books (and also tribute's in which I'm not interested). There are a few that seems to be great and particulary interesting:

Dante's Inferno: The Divine Comedy Part I
Dante's Inferno: The Divine Comedy Part II
The Spaghetti Epic - I, II, III
Odyssey - The Greatest Tale
The 7 Samurai - The Ultimate Epic
The Colossus Of Rhodes
Kalevala - Finnish Progressive Rock Epic
Colossus Project - The Empire & The Rebellion (YES, it's based in Star Wars)

The thing is that I tried to get in contact with this people but I was unable (getting no answer from the myspace) Do you know a trustfull place where I could buy this albums?

And by the way, tell us what you think of this kind of releases, your favourites, and, please, if you know of any I haven't mention and you consider it worthy, let me know!
Coon is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old February 14th, 2010, 01:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
Postmodernist
Yachad el ha'or
 
Postmodernist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 698
Try out Waltari "Yeah! Yeah! Die! Die!".
__________________
Oriental metal, BIG list of bands:
http://antonsaysdotcom.livejournal.com/12442.html
This is what I call non-conventional music:

http://www.oddmusic.com/gallery/index.html

http://liberalislam.net
Postmodernist is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old February 14th, 2010, 03:34 PM   #3 (permalink)
Ollo-San
Ollo-San
 
Ollo-San's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Fougères France
Posts: 725
all Chaostar's album. (the Chris Antoniou's project, Spectic Flesh). It's not really Metal but truly Opera
__________________
Olivier/ Ollo-San

Peace Nature and Respect
http://www.myspace.com/urigreen
http://orphaned-land35.forumactif.com/
Ollo-San is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old February 14th, 2010, 04:43 PM   #4 (permalink)
Coon
Metalcry
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Madrid, Spain
Posts: 53
Thanks! I'll check those albums and let you know.
Coon is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old February 15th, 2010, 03:26 AM   #5 (permalink)
Postmodernist
Yachad el ha'or
 
Postmodernist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 698
PS: Also keep in mind Jesus Christ Superstar classics

UPD: ... and perhaps Soviet rock opera "Junona and Avos"

If you don't manage to find it I can get it for you.
__________________
Oriental metal, BIG list of bands:
http://antonsaysdotcom.livejournal.com/12442.html
This is what I call non-conventional music:

http://www.oddmusic.com/gallery/index.html

http://liberalislam.net

Last edited by Postmodernist : February 15th, 2010 at 05:00 AM.
Postmodernist is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old February 18th, 2010, 05:44 PM   #6 (permalink)
Kenneth R.
Cináed
 
Kenneth R.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Hallways of Always
Posts: 17,242
wow you are much more knowledgeable on these than me! Have you tried lasercd.com yet as a source?
__________________

The greatest story leaves you before a door to the dark. felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.
Kenneth R. is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old February 18th, 2010, 08:41 PM   #7 (permalink)
Coon
Metalcry
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Madrid, Spain
Posts: 53
Dante's Inferno: The Divine Comedy Part I (Inferno)
Dante's Inferno: The Divine Comedy Part II (Purgatorio)

FINALLY I was able to get these...it was aroun 35 euros each, but well, is a total amount of 8 CDs of prog music. I'll lay my impressions asap.
Coon is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old February 19th, 2010, 07:39 AM   #8 (permalink)
Morticia NL.
Orphaned sister
 
Morticia NL.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Holland/France/Israel
Posts: 1,894
Savatage- Streets:a rock opera should for sure be on your list
You could also say that Savatage's Dead Winter Dead (concept album on the war in Yugoslavia, they used music from Mozart and Beethoven) and Wake of Magellan qualify.

And how about Symphony X who put music to the story of the Odyssey on their 'the odyssey' album?
__________________
Visit the official Orphaned Land fansite- in 6 languages!
And I, I took the path less traveled by. And that has made all the difference / R.Frost

Last edited by Morticia NL. : February 19th, 2010 at 07:42 AM.
Morticia NL. is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old February 19th, 2010, 08:14 AM   #9 (permalink)
Chanakya
Orphaned Brother
 
Chanakya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 1,531
^
Doesn't the SX album come under the concept-esque album? I mean, sure there isn't really a concept, it still is in a narrative form and tells a story, but goes against David's definition of a Rock Opera.

@ All of the above-

I hadn't heard much of Rock/metal opera and thanks to this, I've learnt about many amazing artists.
Chanakya is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old February 19th, 2010, 10:33 AM   #10 (permalink)
Coon
Metalcry
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Madrid, Spain
Posts: 53
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morticia NL. View Post
Savatage- Streets:a rock opera should for sure be on your list
You could also say that Savatage's Dead Winter Dead (concept album on the war in Yugoslavia, they used music from Mozart and Beethoven) and Wake of Magellan qualify.

And how about Symphony X who put music to the story of the Odyssey on their 'the odyssey' album?
Thanks for the suggestions, but of course I know about this albums, which I would say are much more into the contept-esque album. I mean, you can say your album is a "rock opera" 'cause it tells a story, etc, but to me you need several characters and several "actors"(here better say singers) to play them, if you get my point.

Anyway, Savatage is one of my all time favourite bands with Edge Of Thorns and Gutter Ballet as my favourite albums, followed by Streets, Dead Winter Dead and Sirens. Cris Oliva was a genius I will always miss. RIP. But as said, Streets, etc, are to me much into the concept albums, as Queensryche's Operation Mindcrime and Operation Mindcrim II (which are kind in the frontier of both, since they're pretty much concept albums, but still got minimum appearences by two other characters).

Regarding Symphony X, The Odyssey is my fav album from them, together with The Divine Wings Of Tragedy. I also enjoyed Paradise Lost, although some people say it's not such a solid release, to my ears it's quite worthy. Russell Allen is vocal God.
Coon is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old February 19th, 2010, 11:00 AM   #11 (permalink)
Chanakya
Orphaned Brother
 
Chanakya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 1,531
^
Exactly!! So many people bitch about Paradise Lost while I absolutely love it. Just as usual, it has a very strong vocal performance and yes, Russell Allen is a God ! Though I can understand why people don't like it as much as the older ones as Michael James Romeo's performance was nowhere close to his best.
Chanakya is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old February 19th, 2010, 03:26 PM   #12 (permalink)
Morticia NL.
Orphaned sister
 
Morticia NL.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Holland/France/Israel
Posts: 1,894
I can only say I whole heartedly agree about the Paradise Lost album and Russel Allen. Seeing the guy perform was nothing short of a miracle. The notes he hits without making huge effort... o la la!

And Savatage used to sing with 3 people on stage during shows. This was mostly during the Wake of Magellan tour in 1996.
__________________
Visit the official Orphaned Land fansite- in 6 languages!
And I, I took the path less traveled by. And that has made all the difference / R.Frost

Last edited by Morticia NL. : February 19th, 2010 at 03:32 PM.
Morticia NL. is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old February 19th, 2010, 04:01 PM   #13 (permalink)
Coon
Metalcry
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Madrid, Spain
Posts: 53
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morticia NL. View Post
I can only say I whole heartedly agree about the Paradise Lost album and Russel Allen. Seeing the guy perform was nothing short of a miracle. The notes he hits without making huge effort... o la la!

And Savatage used to sing with 3 people on stage during shows. This was mostly during the Wake of Magellan tour in 1996.
Yeees, they were Zach Stevens, Jon Oliva (also keys) and Chris Caffery(also guitars). They did it this way just to have the most accurate performance in relation with the studio, but not like if they were performing a play or something.

It's differente when it comes to the Trans-Siberian Orchestra, where Jon Oliva, Chris Caffery and many many many many others are involved, and Zach was eventually involved in the past too.
Coon is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old February 20th, 2010, 08:57 AM   #14 (permalink)
Chanakya
Orphaned Brother
 
Chanakya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 1,531
Talking about Jon Oliva, some idiot edited the wikipedia page on him, that he was dead.

I used to be a 4 year old back then When put in perspective, I wish that I was born 5-10 years earlier.
Chanakya is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old February 20th, 2010, 05:04 PM   #15 (permalink)
paradoxile
Den Sista Ljusbäraren
 
paradoxile's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Israel
Posts: 6,014
how come no one mentioned Pain of salvation's "BE"?
__________________
Swanö 3:16
hellre en rövare i poolen än en polare i röven
paradoxile is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old February 20th, 2010, 07:45 PM   #16 (permalink)
Coon
Metalcry
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Madrid, Spain
Posts: 53
Quote:
Originally Posted by paradoxile View Post
how come no one mentioned Pain of salvation's "BE"?
Of Course, "BE" is a great album. I should put in the "half way" albums as Queensryche's OM, being not entirely a concept album not entirely a rock opera neither.
Coon is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old February 22nd, 2010, 01:48 AM   #17 (permalink)
lozanoje
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 30
I do not usually like Rock Operas, exceptions are Ayreon works and Avantasia.

But just to add something: there is a project of two spanish non-metallers guys (Jacobo García and Joaquín Padilla) to write an album about the life of Edgar Allan Poe.

It is called EDGAR ALLAN POE – LEGADO DE UNA TRAGEDIA (Tragedy's Legacy) and it has been recorded by 50 different musicians along 2 years and 3 record studios.

The album speaks of life and death of the american writer, and it is the first (spanish) attempt of joining this huge amount of (spanish) musicians working in the same direction.

The result? It is more close to Avantasia than Aina or Kotzev, for sure (speaking about heavyness, so to speak), I had the chance to listen to it, but not so deeply. I've read a lot of positive reviews, but honestly I do not trust too much in those two guys (they are known for being components of Iguana Tango, a poppy band of the late 90's with imho not so much merit).

Oh, another problem: it is fully in spanish.

This is the cast of characters and musicians, mainly people coming from well-known bands.

Review here:
http://www.metalzone.biz/php/modules...content&id=872

Quote:
PERSONAJES: (CHARACTERS)

Leo (Stravaganzza) Edgar Allan Poe
Tony (Sangre Azul) La Muerte
Fernando Garcia (Victory, Godiva) Talento de Poe
Joaquin Padilla (Iguana Tango) Conciencia
Patricia Tapia (Nexx) Virginia (Esposa de Poe)
Beatriz Albert (Ebony Ark) – Tuberculosis
J.F. Bejarano (ex Cuatro Gatos) John Allan (tío de Poe)
Lele Laina (Topo, Asfalto) – Dickens
Jose Luis Jimenez (Topo, Asfalto) Dickens
Oscar Sancho (Lujuria) – Tabernero
Alfred Romero (Darkmoor) – Marcel Hölle. Enterrador
Nacho Ruiz (Perfect Smile, ex-Arwen) Coronel del ejército
Elisa C. Martin (Dreamaker) – Marie Louise Shew
Dani Aller (Ars Amandi) Soldado del ejército
Michel Molinera (Stafas, Canallas) – Borracho
Arancha (Stafas) – Prostituta
Ignacio Prieto (Atlas, Eden Lost, Reina de Corazones) Auguste Dupin
Jacobo Garcia (Iguana Tango) Padre de Poe
Kiko Hagall (Inn Trance, ex Beethoven R) – Reverendo Brandsby
Carlos Pina (Panzer) – Charles Fenno Hoffman
Falaise Jans Cercueil. Enterrador 2

BATERÍAS (DRUMMERS)

Carlos Espósito (Stravaganzza)
Javier Martín (ex Antigua)
Kike Enriquez (Iguana Tango)

BAJISTAS (BASSISTS)

Angel Arias (Barón Rojo)
Niko del Hierro (Saratoga)
Augusto Hernández (PielyHueso, ex Hamlet)
Daniel Criado (Skizoo, XXL)
Rafael Requena (Dr. Snake)
Jacobo Garcia (Iguana Tango)

GUITARRISTAS (GUITARISTS)

Pablo Garcia (Warcry)
Jorge Salán (Mago de Oz)
Paco Laguna (Obus)
Carlitos (Mago de Oz)
Jero Ramírez (ex Saratoga)
Pajaro (Sobredosis)
Manolo Arias (Atlas, Ñu, Niagara)
Luis Cruz (Topo)
Juanjo Melero (ex Sangre Azul, Universo Violento)
Ruben Villanueva (Ebony Ark)
Abel Franco
Paco Moreno (Ars Amandi)
Mario Garcia (Iguana Tango)

TECLADOS (KEYBOARDISTS)

Hugo Bistolfi (Rata Blanca)
Javi Diez (Arwen)
Daniel Serrano (Nonno)
Juan Guruceta
José Villar

COROS (CHORUS)

Lara Fernandez
Alex Lopez
lozanoje is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old February 22nd, 2010, 01:51 AM   #18 (permalink)
lozanoje
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 30
Mmmm, now I'm thinking about this, does Explorers Club's fits your definition of Rock Opera? Guess it doenst.

lozano
lozanoje is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old February 22nd, 2010, 03:03 AM   #19 (permalink)
Postmodernist
Yachad el ha'or
 
Postmodernist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 698
Explorer's Club is pure prog I guess.

What about operatic metal or metal arrangements of opera?
Like, Rhapsody = kinda operatic power metal; True Symphonic Rockestra = power metal arrangements of opera.
__________________
Oriental metal, BIG list of bands:
http://antonsaysdotcom.livejournal.com/12442.html
This is what I call non-conventional music:

http://www.oddmusic.com/gallery/index.html

http://liberalislam.net
Postmodernist is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old February 22nd, 2010, 08:23 AM   #20 (permalink)
Coon
Metalcry
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Madrid, Spain
Posts: 53
Lozanoje, if you read my list in the first post of this topic, you'll see I've already mention the Edgar Allan Poe: Legado de una tragedia opera but thanks for the interest.

Por cierto, eres de Metalzone? Jajajaja, you soy David de Metalcry!!
Coon is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old February 22nd, 2010, 09:47 AM   #21 (permalink)
lozanoje
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coon View Post
Lozanoje, if you read my list in the first post of this topic, you'll see I've already mention the Edgar Allan Poe: Legado de una tragedia opera but thanks for the interest.
Didnt notice you already were spaniard too, so definitively i was not expecting to find Edgar Allan Poe in the list.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coon View Post
Por cierto, eres de Metalzone? Jajajaja, you soy David de Metalcry!!
No, lo siento, no frecuento webs especializadas en español, hasta hace poco no saliamos de Iron Maiden y me rallaba mucho. Las echare un ojo a ambas webs.

lozano
lozanoje is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old February 1st, 2011, 05:38 AM   #22 (permalink)
2manynotes
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 13
Hello... Since you seem to be interrested in this genre, I will present my project. It took one year to achieve this piece. I'm also waiting for the release of my friend Sam Arkan (Origins).
Maybe you can also check:
- Beto Vasquez Infinity's albums.
- Cybion by Kalisia (with Arjen Lucassen as guest on vocals) : 1 song but 1hour11min11sec long
- The Black Halo by Kamelot since it's a concept album ands there are other musicians (Jens Johanson, Simone Simons, Shargath etc etc).

The Road to Consciousness is a joint venture of talented musicians from different countries, united in one common passion for music. The music and lyrics were originally composed by Bernard Daubresse, founding member of the Brussels based band Free Launch.

After some tracks were written, Bernard contacted Kristell Lowagie, he knew for her work as author and singer with Skeptical Minds. She was the first one to join the team. The teammates are friends or musicians contacted through the net. Finally, no less than 20 talented musicians and singers lend their talent to achieve this piece.
Yves Huts from the well known Dutch band Epica made an awesome work on the orchestral parts.

The concept of the album is focused on human adventures. You will discover some characters who are experiencing situation that maybe some listeners have experienced themselves :
quest for spirituality, crazy ambitions, fear of the death, deceptions etc... All this leading to an epic song divided in 4 parts. If you like great vocal performances, epic guitar solos and catchy chorus you will love this piece.

http://www.roadtoconsciousness.com
http://www.myspace.com/roadtoconsciousness

The album is now out and available on legal platforms, shops in the Benelux and of course on the webshop http://roadtoconsciousness.bigcartel...sness-digipack
shipped worldwide the same day you order it!!!


Some reviews:
Metalkrant (dutch) http://www.metalkrant.sp2o.org/?page=5&message=2491
Music in Belgium (9/10) (french) http://www.musicinbelgium.net/pl/mod...ontent&id=4641
Mindview (6/7-Gold) (dutch)
Des filles et des riffs (18/20) (french) http://www.desfillesetdesriffs.fr/ch...s/rtc_rtc.html
Ravenheart (9,5/10) (english) http://www.ravenheartmusic.com/products-group-92.html



Last edited by 2manynotes : February 1st, 2011 at 06:42 AM.
2manynotes is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old December 22nd, 2011, 07:53 AM   #23 (permalink)
DANIELOIDE
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 1
Hi everybody, I´m a new kid in town.
I love rock&metal operas, please, check this one out:
VOX IN EXCELSO by Saracen, a NWOBHM band. Amazing rock opera!!!

Glad to see you guys!
Dani
DANIELOIDE is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:05 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.0.0
© Copyright 2000-2010 UltimateMetal.com | MetalAges Media