Humans and their love of violence

[Norsemaiden]

Originally Posted by Seditious

I thought you liked savages?

or is primitivism all about sunbathing in the fields of long grass playing the flute 'til dusk in the tranquillity of simpler days

I draw a massive (and somewhat race-based) distinction between savages and barbarians. The latter I wholeheartedly approve of.
One kind of savage is what you get in a civilisation when it's in decay - the kind of scum criminals without any standards (as likely to be White as any other ethnicity). You don't get barbarians forming within civilisations though. They are the ones that sack the decaying civilisation and bring about the birth of a new one.

[Norsemaiden]

Originally Posted by Seditious

*Shrug* I don't understand how surgeons and pornstars can do their jobs. but presumably one need not be pathological to do things I find sick, but simply not entertain my particular aesthetic, cultural, and subjective biases.

You think it is sick to be a surgeon? They are people who fix stuff. That's all it is. They soon get used to the mess. I would do it if I had the qualifications.
Surgeons are known to hate movies showing people getting broken. Must be because they spend so much time trying to put them right.
Perhaps car mechanics would feel similar watching a car engine being trashed. "Oh no! I can't watch! He just pulled out the spark plugs!"

[razoredge]

Originally Posted by Seditious

*Shrug* I don't understand how surgeons and pornstars can do their jobs. but presumably one need not be pathological to do things I find sick, but simply not entertain my particular aesthetic, cultural, and subjective biases.

Being able or not... to deal with damaged bodies is a matter of squeamishness or severe empathy standing in the way. Pornogaphy varies off course but is typically a harmless act and involves primarily money and secondary - sexual perversion, Im not sure what percentage falls under pathological. Finding entertainment in gore seems to have indications that are highly pathological so I'm interested in hearing the subjective bias of those that find it entertaining.

As I said before theres a big difference between being a "warrior" for a cause and sitting in The Coliseum watching someone kill man or multiple animals or being shred by animals for the sake of "entertainment"

[judas69]

Originally Posted by Norsemaiden

Gore movies have always annoyed me because I am sure there is something really psychologically flawed in people who like that. Either they are mentally warped or else they are savages. If I am right about that, then these are two groups of humans that the world would be better without.

So, you're advocating the removal of all those who watch horror flicks with regularity from living existence simply, because they may be deranged and of course, they annoy you?

Assuming some merit in this claim, what's wrong with medical treatment if they haven't committed any crime?

Originally Posted by Norsemaiden

It has nothing to do with squeemishness - because I am all for brutality if the ends justify the means. But these films probably satisfy weak, impotent people who dislike those who are stronger than they. It just feels like that kind of inadequacy has something to do with it.

So now, it has nothing to do with violence seeing as you're "all for brutality", fantastic admission there by the way, but death to them anyway because they're a bunch of wimps?

You do realize how deranged this sounds, right?

[razoredge]

But its all in the name of repairing flawed genetic codes and surface population reduction, thus providing positive results, so alls good

[Norsemaiden]

Originally Posted by razoredge

But its all in the name of repairing flawed genetic codes and surface population reduction, thus providing positive results, so alls good

Quite so! Billions are going to die within the next few decades anyway, due to the way humans have messed up the planet, and so a selection process (triage) is justfied.

[Einherjar86]

Enjoying gore films doesn't make a person psychologically unstable or unsound. Violence is an innately human fascination. Some people simply get a rush out of seeing that on film. It doesn't have anything to do with instability or portend that those who enjoy such films are going to become serial killers. People who enjoy gore films and then go on a killing spree (or something related) would have done so anyway. They have problems that go beyond a fascination with violent films. People who indulge in those kinds of films simply for entertainment purposes should not be deemed potential menaces to society. In all honesty, I think occasionally indulging in violent fantasies is healthy.

It boils down to whether or not you think humans can or should try to rise above their animal instincts. We are perfectly capable of carrying on our everyday lives without interference, even if we harbor these innate fantasies. Everybody is fucked up on the inside. Trying to drown that instinct isn't healthy, I don't think.

Furthermore, this doesn't mean that I think that if you don't have a fascination with violence then there's something wrong with you. I, for one, never watch gore films or extreme cinema; I find it uncomfortable and unnecessary. But I have other outlets in my life and other fantasies that I indulge in. I deal with the issue of violence in other ways, such as writing about it (I wrote a song called Straw Dogs, based on the film with Dustin Hoffman, that is a very violent piece of cinema; the song is my own personal fantasy about violence).

[razoredge]

fantasies about violence ? I never had any.... until recent years that is... I have one now that has all the world leaders and Im not simply talking politics... Im talking all puppet masters... in a long line awaiting their go at the guillotine and I want to be the one to hold their head up before the massive crowd and say "behold... the head of a traitor"

oh, I think I feel a song comming on

[Einherjar86]

It doesn't have to be particularly bloody.

It could be a fantasy about a slightly violent/painful sexual act (some guys/girls like biting, slapping, scratching, etc.) or it could be about beating someone up. Most people have these kinds of fantasies.

[Dethovaiados]

To ask why people like violence is to ask why people like anything. What makes us tick will surely make us tock. You can learn to like something, or you may have grown up around these things and take in a complete disregard for realism. Personally, I love violence and people being blown apart. Just because it's fascinating and you don't see it around you. But it's just like that.