looking for opinions on this mix,

melovine · May 15th, 2012, 05:21 PM

its SD 2.0, a mesa dual recto two channel running out of the fx loop send using recabinet 2.0 and DI bass through a Chameleon labs 7602

http://soundcloud.com/audiopharm/the-great-dying-mix-2

would really like some opinions on this, im rather new to mixing and need tips and pointers

Manicompression · May 16th, 2012, 01:05 AM

guitar sounds pretty solid. If it were my song i would probably kill the ambient guitar stuff during atleast a couple of the more big rocking parts, it has the effect of making it kinda all sound same-ish. A touch more kick drum would be cool, it sounds really good. Cymbals are just a smidge too loud here and there, I would automate a drop in volume during verses and leave it loud and proud for the jam riffs. Drums sound kinda programed. I would attempt to unify them a bit more. i might try treating the shells with just a little parallel compression maybe even just riding it in underneath on certain sections. sending the shells and a tiny bit of cymbal to a really tame room verb would be worth trying as well. If there is going to be a vocal I think that would be important to factor in, before making anymore huge changes. All in all it sounds like its mostly there it just needs a little bit of automation, and movement. Good job though, it sounds properly done in general.

melovine · May 16th, 2012, 02:09 AM

thank you man, i really appreciate the opinions, i really want to give the guitars that mid crunch with out making them to harsh and covering the kick and bass, need to play with it a bit more i suppose

kronk_1985 · May 16th, 2012, 02:36 AM

+1 to the hats and cymbals being a tad loud.. I'd add some compression to grab some of those peaks that sound harsh.. guitars sound too fake. add humanisation to the midi's as well, sounds like everything is at 127, when everything is normally 100-110.

guitars don't sit well at all for me.

melovine · May 16th, 2012, 12:38 PM

ill pull the velocities down a bit and drop the Oh's and hats, any tips on the guitar tones?

kronk_1985 · May 16th, 2012, 05:23 PM

yeh, just wondering what you have done to them? they don't sound right.

melovine · May 16th, 2012, 09:09 PM

two panned hard left and right two about 20+/-

high pass around 90db
lo pass around 12k

nothing much other than that :/

Manicompression · May 16th, 2012, 10:42 PM

Id shoot for 80 80 on the second set of guitars, they could cloud up your center image a bit, I dont think they sound bad as is though, im listening on krk headphones fwiw. You may end up wanting to make some small eq dips to clean it up a little in the low mids, like a 2-3db drop around 250-350 with a tight q. Also maybe up higher in the 2-3k range to help vocals sit in a bit better, but again its hard to say without vocals. Also changing the velocity actually isnt the effect I think you need, from my limited experience w the toontrack and midi stuff i think velocity is just going to make the hits softer like the drummer is hitting it lighter, and i think the feel of the hits is ok, you just need to alter the volume a bit during sections. I would bounce down the sounds as wav files and treat them like a real kit rather than dealing with the clunky (to me) superior mixer and effects.

melovine · May 16th, 2012, 11:04 PM

coolness, soo your saying two hard left and right and two 80/80? alsogot the drums in multi out so i can treat them like real drums, ill try out the eq on the guitars tonight. thanks man

May 15th, 2012, 05:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
melovine Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 144	looking for opinions on this mix, its SD 2.0, a mesa dual recto two channel running out of the fx loop send using recabinet 2.0 and DI bass through a Chameleon labs 7602 http://soundcloud.com/audiopharm/the-great-dying-mix-2 would really like some opinions on this, im rather new to mixing and need tips and pointers

May 16th, 2012, 02:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
kronk_1985 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 274	+1 to the hats and cymbals being a tad loud.. I'd add some compression to grab some of those peaks that sound harsh.. guitars sound too fake. add humanisation to the midi's as well, sounds like everything is at 127, when everything is normally 100-110. guitars don't sit well at all for me. __________________ i dont know anything about audio engineering, dont listen to me

May 16th, 2012, 05:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
kronk_1985 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 274	yeh, just wondering what you have done to them? they don't sound right. __________________ i dont know anything about audio engineering, dont listen to me

May 16th, 2012, 01:05 AM	#2 (permalink)
Manicompression doing it for the kids Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Cleveland OH Posts: 670	guitar sounds pretty solid. If it were my song i would probably kill the ambient guitar stuff during atleast a couple of the more big rocking parts, it has the effect of making it kinda all sound same-ish. A touch more kick drum would be cool, it sounds really good. Cymbals are just a smidge too loud here and there, I would automate a drop in volume during verses and leave it loud and proud for the jam riffs. Drums sound kinda programed. I would attempt to unify them a bit more. i might try treating the shells with just a little parallel compression maybe even just riding it in underneath on certain sections. sending the shells and a tiny bit of cymbal to a really tame room verb would be worth trying as well. If there is going to be a vocal I think that would be important to factor in, before making anymore huge changes. All in all it sounds like its mostly there it just needs a little bit of automation, and movement. Good job though, it sounds properly done in general.

May 16th, 2012, 02:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
melovine Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 144	thank you man, i really appreciate the opinions, i really want to give the guitars that mid crunch with out making them to harsh and covering the kick and bass, need to play with it a bit more i suppose

May 16th, 2012, 12:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
melovine Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 144	ill pull the velocities down a bit and drop the Oh's and hats, any tips on the guitar tones?

May 16th, 2012, 09:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
melovine Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 144	two panned hard left and right two about 20+/- high pass around 90db lo pass around 12k nothing much other than that :/

May 16th, 2012, 10:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
Manicompression doing it for the kids Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Cleveland OH Posts: 670	Id shoot for 80 80 on the second set of guitars, they could cloud up your center image a bit, I dont think they sound bad as is though, im listening on krk headphones fwiw. You may end up wanting to make some small eq dips to clean it up a little in the low mids, like a 2-3db drop around 250-350 with a tight q. Also maybe up higher in the 2-3k range to help vocals sit in a bit better, but again its hard to say without vocals. Also changing the velocity actually isnt the effect I think you need, from my limited experience w the toontrack and midi stuff i think velocity is just going to make the hits softer like the drummer is hitting it lighter, and i think the feel of the hits is ok, you just need to alter the volume a bit during sections. I would bounce down the sounds as wav files and treat them like a real kit rather than dealing with the clunky (to me) superior mixer and effects.

May 16th, 2012, 11:04 PM	#9 (permalink)
melovine Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 144	coolness, soo your saying two hard left and right and two 80/80? alsogot the drums in multi out so i can treat them like real drums, ill try out the eq on the guitars tonight. thanks man