That "Clayman" sound....

OzNimbus · December 26th, 2005, 07:45 PM

So I'm checking out "Clayman" by In Flames, and I'm really blown away by the guitar sound. Anyone out there have any info on what they used?

-0z-

Disconnekt · December 26th, 2005, 08:42 PM

I have been searching for the answer to that question for a while now, and I don't know either. It really sounds like EMG 81s driving the rhythm channel of a 5150 to me, though, and I'm guessing a cab with Vintage 30s was used, either with 2 mics (at least one of which was pretty far off-axis) or with some drastic EQ to get that ~2 kHz spike like that with the 3.5 k underneath it, or maybe both. Although, looking at the grillecloth on Fredrik Nordström's Marshall cab underneath his 5150, it might be Greenbacks. All of that's just speculation, though, and I would appreciate some hard info just as much as OzNimbus.

Fredrik-Ablaze · December 26th, 2005, 11:43 PM

My guess is that they used 5150's or Nordströms old ENGL Savage

OzNimbus · December 27th, 2005, 12:00 AM

Well, rumor has it that it was a 5150 on the green channel... I'm a little more curious about the mic setup.

Genius Gone Insane · December 27th, 2005, 01:14 AM

At any rate, this is a great question. I think any metal band would sound rad with that production...I'd be curious to see what the room looked like as well. IMO it sounds like there's a hint of room verb in there that just makes the guitars sweet as hell....I'm with you guys: I would love to find out more about this.

TheStoryteller · December 27th, 2005, 10:42 AM

I seem to remember it was the 5150, but /w the ENGL cab, not the Marshall cab. I just sent Nordström a text message about it, I'll post the answer here if I get one.

Edit: got an answer immediately; "it was a hell of a mix, call me some day and I will tell you everything I can remember". So I called him, but caught him at a bad time. So I will call again tomorrow.

Genius Gone Insane · December 27th, 2005, 10:51 AM

Can't wait!

Black neon bob · December 27th, 2005, 11:08 AM

Funny this is mentioned right now... was about to post about this as well, been spinning this disc for a couple of days now, and i can't believe how tight and punchy it sounds!!

I think we should all call him.. haha...

cobhc · December 27th, 2005, 11:54 AM

TheStoryteller, how the fuck did you get nordstrom's phone number, and are you willing to share it? :P

TheStoryteller · December 27th, 2005, 12:33 PM

I've recorded three albums in Studio Fredman with my band The Storyteller (1999, 2001 and 2003), and the fact that I have Fredriks phone numbers is thereby neither strange or a big deal.

And you can easily find the number to the studio if you really want it (no secret). However, he has recently moved the studio to a new location with a new number, and the website still has the old number listed.

cobhc · December 27th, 2005, 12:38 PM

ok fair enough dude

OzNimbus · December 27th, 2005, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheStoryteller

I seem to remember it was the 5150, but /w the ENGL cab, not the Marshall cab. I just sent Nordström a text message about it, I'll post the answer here if I get one.

Edit: got an answer immediately; "it was a hell of a mix, call me some day and I will tell you everything I can remember". So I called him, but caught him at a bad time. So I will call again tomorrow.

Thanks for the help!

Sinister Mephisto · December 27th, 2005, 01:48 PM

Great album! I'm interested to know this as well. Also, what about the clean sounds?

I was just listening to that CD and liking the snare sound alot. Am I crazy or is it actually a really good snare sound?

cobhc · December 27th, 2005, 01:49 PM

The bass sound is my favourite thing on this album

Hopkins-WitchfinderGeneral · December 27th, 2005, 01:51 PM

not my favourite kind of snare sound but it's cool in it's own way

Hopkins-WitchfinderGeneral · December 27th, 2005, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cobhc

The bass sound is my favourite thing on this album

yeah, it's pretty cool

cobhc · December 27th, 2005, 01:52 PM

it's damn loud in the mix, but it's not overpowering, and gives the album a huge low end

Sinister Mephisto · December 27th, 2005, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hopkins-WitchfinderGeneral

not my favourite kind of snare sound but it's cool in it's own way

It's quite possible I just haven't really explored snare sounds. I'm new at that kind of thing.

Hopkins-WitchfinderGeneral · December 27th, 2005, 02:09 PM

the kind of snare sounds i dig are what most people would term "compressed to fuckery" so there you go

Fredrik-Ablaze · December 27th, 2005, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OzNimbus

Well, rumor has it that it was a 5150 on the green channel... I'm a little more curious about the mic setup.

A swedish magazine named "Studio" covered the Fredman guitarsound in an issue. I dont know if he used this for Clayman but the way he usually mikes his cabs is with two SM57's forming an arrow towards the speaker.
One straight on at the side of the dustcap, the other one angled towards the center.
It also stated that he sometimes uses a condensermike on a different speaker than the one that the SM57's cover

Fragle · December 27th, 2005, 03:50 PM

i really like fredman's stuff. clayman sounds kickass, and i really enjoy his work with the haunted. my bandmates say his sound is overused and not fresh anymore - i couldn't disagree more. but then again, they're way more into bay area thrash and death, whereas i love swedish stuff, so go figure

Mark_Palangio · December 27th, 2005, 04:17 PM

The Studio Fredman 5150/Engl tone is the tone I dream about. I would kill to record at Studio Fredman. TheStoryteller, does Fred only record well known bands, or does he work with unknown bands at all?

TheStoryteller · December 27th, 2005, 04:20 PM

He records unknown bands as well. However he's a bit expensive, even though his prices are lower now than a couple of years ago.

Genius Gone Insane · December 27th, 2005, 04:24 PM

A dream come true was his recording of Dragonlord's new album. I absolutely loved hearing a black metal band with Eric Peterson's bay area thrash sound combined with Fred's amazing production flavor.

kelch · December 27th, 2005, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredrik-Ablaze

One straight on at the side of the dustcap, the other one angled towards the center.

could you talk/describe a bit more about this micing technique...

kelch-

December 26th, 2005, 07:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
OzNimbus Very Metal &Very Bad News Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Posts: 2,853	That "Clayman" sound.... So I'm checking out "Clayman" by In Flames, and I'm really blown away by the guitar sound. Anyone out there have any info on what they used? -0z- __________________ Need crushing guitar tone? Despised Icon did! Hear my reamping work on their new "Montreal Assault" DVD!

December 26th, 2005, 08:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
Disconnekt Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Falls Church, VA, USA Posts: 409	I have been searching for the answer to that question for a while now, and I don't know either. It really sounds like EMG 81s driving the rhythm channel of a 5150 to me, though, and I'm guessing a cab with Vintage 30s was used, either with 2 mics (at least one of which was pretty far off-axis) or with some drastic EQ to get that ~2 kHz spike like that with the 3.5 k underneath it, or maybe both. Although, looking at the grillecloth on Fredrik Nordström's Marshall cab underneath his 5150, it might be Greenbacks. All of that's just speculation, though, and I would appreciate some hard info just as much as OzNimbus. Last edited by Disconnekt : December 26th, 2005 at 09:27 PM.

December 27th, 2005, 12:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
OzNimbus Very Metal &Very Bad News Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Posts: 2,853	Well, rumor has it that it was a 5150 on the green channel... I'm a little more curious about the mic setup. __________________ Need crushing guitar tone? Despised Icon did! Hear my reamping work on their new "Montreal Assault" DVD!

December 27th, 2005, 10:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
TheStoryteller Power Puff Metal? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Gävle, Sweden Posts: 439	I seem to remember it was the 5150, but /w the ENGL cab, not the Marshall cab. I just sent Nordström a text message about it, I'll post the answer here if I get one. Edit: got an answer immediately; "it was a hell of a mix, call me some day and I will tell you everything I can remember". So I called him, but caught him at a bad time. So I will call again tomorrow. __________________ //Fredrik Groth "Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try." - Homer Simpson Last edited by TheStoryteller : December 27th, 2005 at 10:49 AM.

December 27th, 2005, 11:08 AM	#8 (permalink)
Black neon bob Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,563	Funny this is mentioned right now... was about to post about this as well, been spinning this disc for a couple of days now, and i can't believe how tight and punchy it sounds!! I think we should all call him.. haha... __________________ Robert Slump: http://www.myspace.com/toxicgrindmachinemusic List of double crossing metal brothers: - Abyssofdreams.

December 26th, 2005, 11:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
Fredrik-Ablaze www.ablazeonline.com Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 393	My guess is that they used 5150's or Nordströms old ENGL Savage

December 27th, 2005, 01:14 AM	#5 (permalink)
Genius Gone Insane http://www.¯\(°_o)/¯.com Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 3,458	At any rate, this is a great question. I think any metal band would sound rad with that production...I'd be curious to see what the room looked like as well. IMO it sounds like there's a hint of room verb in there that just makes the guitars sweet as hell....I'm with you guys: I would love to find out more about this.

December 27th, 2005, 10:51 AM	#7 (permalink)
Genius Gone Insane http://www.¯\(°_o)/¯.com Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 3,458	Can't wait!

December 27th, 2005, 11:54 AM	#9 (permalink)
cobhc Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Nottingham, England. Posts: 4,293	TheStoryteller, how the fuck did you get nordstrom's phone number, and are you willing to share it? :P

December 27th, 2005, 12:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
TheStoryteller Power Puff Metal? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Gävle, Sweden Posts: 439	I've recorded three albums in Studio Fredman with my band The Storyteller (1999, 2001 and 2003), and the fact that I have Fredriks phone numbers is thereby neither strange or a big deal. And you can easily find the number to the studio if you really want it (no secret). However, he has recently moved the studio to a new location with a new number, and the website still has the old number listed. __________________ //Fredrik Groth "Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try." - Homer Simpson

December 27th, 2005, 12:38 PM	#11 (permalink)
cobhc Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Nottingham, England. Posts: 4,293	ok fair enough dude

December 27th, 2005, 01:48 PM	#13 (permalink)
Sinister Mephisto 1337 Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,544	Great album! I'm interested to know this as well. Also, what about the clean sounds? I was just listening to that CD and liking the snare sound alot. Am I crazy or is it actually a really good snare sound?

December 27th, 2005, 01:49 PM	#14 (permalink)
cobhc Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Nottingham, England. Posts: 4,293	The bass sound is my favourite thing on this album

December 27th, 2005, 01:51 PM	#15 (permalink)
Hopkins-WitchfinderGeneral we are children of god Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chained to this rock of a Brave New World Posts: 11,544	not my favourite kind of snare sound but it's cool in it's own way __________________ *\| Sepia Dreamer \| Anomie \| Visceral Absence* \|**

December 27th, 2005, 01:52 PM	#17 (permalink)
cobhc Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Nottingham, England. Posts: 4,293	it's damn loud in the mix, but it's not overpowering, and gives the album a huge low end

December 27th, 2005, 02:09 PM	#19 (permalink)
Hopkins-WitchfinderGeneral we are children of god Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chained to this rock of a Brave New World Posts: 11,544	the kind of snare sounds i dig are what most people would term "compressed to fuckery" so there you go __________________ *\| Sepia Dreamer \| Anomie \| Visceral Absence* \|**

December 27th, 2005, 03:50 PM	#21 (permalink)
Fragle Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 693	i really like fredman's stuff. clayman sounds kickass, and i really enjoy his work with the haunted. my bandmates say his sound is overused and not fresh anymore - i couldn't disagree more. but then again, they're way more into bay area thrash and death, whereas i love swedish stuff, so go figure

December 27th, 2005, 04:17 PM	#22 (permalink)
Mark_Palangio On The Fields Of Life Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Greensburg, PA Posts: 600	The Studio Fredman 5150/Engl tone is the tone I dream about. I would kill to record at Studio Fredman. TheStoryteller, does Fred only record well known bands, or does he work with unknown bands at all?

December 27th, 2005, 04:20 PM	#23 (permalink)
TheStoryteller Power Puff Metal? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Gävle, Sweden Posts: 439	He records unknown bands as well. However he's a bit expensive, even though his prices are lower now than a couple of years ago. __________________ //Fredrik Groth "Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try." - Homer Simpson

December 27th, 2005, 04:24 PM	#24 (permalink)
Genius Gone Insane http://www.¯\(°_o)/¯.com Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 3,458	A dream come true was his recording of Dragonlord's new album. I absolutely loved hearing a black metal band with Eric Peterson's bay area thrash sound combined with Fred's amazing production flavor.