Adam D micing tips

Machinated · August 17th, 2009, 03:49 AM

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Back off
Mic placement is pretty crucial. You can get a million different EQ responses depending on where you throw the mic in front of the cab. I personally have the best luck – or at least I think so – when I back the mic off a little bit. I know a lot of engineers throw it right on the grille to get the bass boost, the proximity effect and all that garbage, but I find that if I back it up about six inches, I get a more balanced EQ curve.

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never tried as far back as 6 inches......anyone else gone that far?

greyskull · August 17th, 2009, 04:11 AM

yikes!
6 inches...? ill give it a go.

006 · August 17th, 2009, 09:41 AM

Are his tones impressive or something? I really have never heard anything he's produced...

Machinated · August 17th, 2009, 09:43 AM

kse albums are a pretty good place to start

latest underoath albums he also reamped for

but yeah id say he's pretty well known for his guitar sounds.

Ermz · August 17th, 2009, 09:51 AM

At 6 inches the room starts being more of a factor, so make sure you have a treated space before you try that one! The last thing you want is comb filtering screwing your rhythm guitars.

zvish · August 17th, 2009, 09:55 AM

both Parkway Drive albums sound great, definitely his best works for me

Sickan · August 17th, 2009, 10:11 AM

I want a distance shootout!

greyskull · August 17th, 2009, 10:15 AM

i'll see what i can do..
would it be best if i just used marcus' Holy diver d.i or come up with something else? if so could someone send it to me?

Machinated · August 17th, 2009, 10:17 AM

id be up for doing a shootout too, just a bit busy atm.

i think the point is you'd eq the amp a little differently though when micing further away. i guess if it sounds good in the room though it should be fine

006 · August 17th, 2009, 11:22 AM

I guess I can kind of see where he's getting at. If you think about it when the standard is to make it sound good in the room first, you aren't directly on the grill listening to it in the room

Rather, you are standing back a few feet, right? Very interesting... I may have to tinker with the idea myself.

JeffTD · August 17th, 2009, 11:27 AM

That's really, really interesting... I'll have to try it.

I had no clue he reamped for Underoath - those guitars sound fucking stellar!

Anyone know if he reamped for A Day To Remember, as well, or just mixed?

Metaltastic · August 17th, 2009, 11:57 AM

KSE Holy Diver cover tone =

And one big plus of pulling the mic back is that it's less sensitive to placement; of course, that's not worth much if it doesn't sound better than a close mic in the perfect spot, but yeah, a shootout in a full mix would fucking RULE (and here's a link to the HD DI's, though considering how wretched the backing tracks I have are, maybe they wouldn't be the best, unless someone wants to record a quick bass line and program some decent drums! Tempo is exactly 185 bpm)

2000ContourSVT · August 17th, 2009, 12:52 PM

I read about how he placed the SM57 six inches away from the cab in a recent magazine where they were talking about how the latest KSE album was produced. I've yet to try it but I'm real curious how it sounds.

As for his tones, I really like the guitar sounds on Parkway Drive - Horizons (I don't care to much for the tones on the earlier Parkway Drive albums.) I also especially like the sound he's got on all the KSE albums, and All That Remains - The Fall of Ideals.

Loren Littlejohn · August 17th, 2009, 12:59 PM

I've gone as far as 4"

greyskull · August 17th, 2009, 03:34 PM

okay cool.
I'll do this this week. Which amp shall i use?? 5150, dual rec . 800? or all 3?
mmm
all 3 i think
think ill use your dis Marcus as i just slashed my finger up on a carving knife. makes for an easier point of reference too!

I'll just do one 57 and differing distances

s34nsm411 · August 17th, 2009, 04:00 PM

Ive been experimenting with distances around 6 inches to even a foot and it definitely has a more natural sound to it. Sometimes you put a mic up super close to a cab and it just sounds weird and nothing like it does in the room (awesome). Further back it sounds more like the amp to me. But of course I always hear of some of my favorite tones being done extremely close...

beyond dead · August 17th, 2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 2000ContourSVT

As for his tones, I really like the guitar sounds on Parkway Drive - Horizons (I don't care to much for the tones on the earlier Parkway Drive albums.) I also especially like the sound he's got on all the KSE albums, and All That Remains - The Fall of Ideals.

agreed. excellent guitar tones, although I associate these type tones with a 57 pretty close to the speaker to emphasize the excursion of the speaker. and those tones dont sound roomy at all.

GarethSE · August 17th, 2009, 04:39 PM

The only good results I could ever get with my Framus cab were 2-3 inches back.
that shit always sounded nice and balanced to me.

Rob Logic · August 18th, 2009, 03:57 PM

click to listen

I programmed and tweaked the drums first. Tried to get the same pop out of the snare. Then I threw the DI's through my Randall RM100 into a Maxon OD808. The module in the Randall was the Treadplate module. Maxon was set at noon for every knob cept the tone knob and that was 12:30-1:00ish. Cab was a Mesa 2X12 with a SM57 pointed half on, half off of the cone 6 inches away from where the grill normally is (I keep the grill off, the mesa logo is attached to a bit of wood that hangs out over the speaker and I realized it was finding its way into the recorded sound). I used absolutely nothing on the guitars, no lopass, hipass, multiband compressor, or post eq. The tone might be a little bright but I was dicking with the presence knob a bit before I read the thread and forgot to put it back where I normally have it. Overall, one of the better "naked" tones I've gotten thus far.

I like the tone I got, just proves there are multiple ways to skin a cat. Your thoughts?

Rob Logic · August 18th, 2009, 04:00 PM

ps. I'd be happy to supply the bass and drums stems if anyone wants. Just let me know and I will throw them up if anyone else wants to have a go at it. Ill take everything off of the 2 bus before I bounce them so everyone can do their own thing if you want.

Jarkko Mattheiszen · August 18th, 2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Logic

click to listen

I programmed and tweaked the drums first. Tried to get the same pop out of the snare. Then I threw the DI's through my Randall RM100 into a Maxon OD808. The module in the Randall was the Treadplate module. Maxon was set at noon for every knob cept the tone knob and that was 12:30-1:00ish. Cab was a Mesa 2X12 with a SM57 pointed half on, half off of the cone 6 inches away from where the grill normally is (I keep the grill off, the mesa logo is attached to a bit of wood that hangs out over the speaker and I realized it was finding its way into the recorded sound). I used absolutely nothing on the guitars, no lopass, hipass, multiband compressor, or post eq. The tone might be a little bright but I was dicking with the presence knob a bit before I read the thread and forgot to put it back where I normally have it. Overall, one of the better "naked" tones I've gotten thus far.

I like the tone I got, just proves there are multiple ways to skin a cat. Your thoughts?

Shit, that sounds really nice! I've never tried such distance for hi-gain guitars, and would've never thought of it working so well.

Rob Logic · August 18th, 2009, 04:11 PM

fuck it...

Drum Bus

Bass DI

zvish · August 18th, 2009, 04:24 PM

wow!!! really nothing on guitars? what guitar, pickups and interface dude

? and how loud you set your amp?

MetalJonesy · August 18th, 2009, 04:36 PM

rob that sounds pretty badass for no post eq etc!!

Rob Logic · August 18th, 2009, 04:38 PM

Yeah, nothing on guitars at all. Just didn't seem like they needed it when I set levels against the drums. I put stuff on but I didn't think it was essential so I left them off in the end. They are Marcus' DI's so he would be the one to answer the one about the guitars and pickups. I reamped through a Radial X-Amp. That's about all that was in the signal path other than the stuff I described earlier. My interface is a Metric Halo ULN-2.

This amp is kinda wierd to describe because the level knob on the modules can crank the hell out of the amp with the master set low. I will say it was loud but not painful loud if you were in the room with the cab. Standard rock out volume... Marcus' DI's are typically top notch. I've dicked around with a few he's posted before but these were the first I've used in a full mix. The bass was a Ibanez SR505 with bartolini's into a J48. I used basic plugins in Logic 9 and Amp Designer to treat the bass DI. The amp was a "tweed" model with a 4x10 cab. Nothing off the wall. Thx for posting these up Marcus!

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Ermz Ma baws ist Krieg Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 19,534	At 6 inches the room starts being more of a factor, so make sure you have a treated space before you try that one! The last thing you want is comb filtering screwing your rhythm guitars. __________________ www.systematicproductions.com > Twitter > Facebook

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Machinated Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Milton Keynes, UK Posts: 3,441	id be up for doing a shootout too, just a bit busy atm. i think the point is you'd eq the amp a little differently though when micing further away. i guess if it sounds good in the room though it should be fine __________________ Ed Sokolowski EAS STUDIOS - MYSPACE Follow me on facebook: EAS STUDIOS Follow me on twitter - http://twitter.com/easstudios Drum Quantizing + Reamping available + Production + Mixing - PM me for details

August 17th, 2009, 11:22 AM	#10 (permalink)
006 Mike G Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: SATX Posts: 8,487	I guess I can kind of see where he's getting at. If you think about it when the standard is to make it sound good in the room first, you aren't directly on the grill listening to it in the room Rather, you are standing back a few feet, right? Very interesting... I may have to tinker with the idea myself. __________________ Lyle Cooper Session Drums Winter Skies Productions on FaceBook Cubase Slip Editing Tutorial Video 006 Drum Pack v1.0: Complete, TCI Only, WAV Only PM me for professional drum and/or guitar editing

August 17th, 2009, 04:11 AM	#2 (permalink)
greyskull Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,499	yikes! 6 inches...? ill give it a go.

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zvish myspace.com/drownmyday Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ¯\(°_o)/¯ Posts: 756	both Parkway Drive albums sound great, definitely his best works for me

August 17th, 2009, 10:15 AM	#8 (permalink)
greyskull Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,499	i'll see what i can do.. would it be best if i just used marcus' Holy diver d.i or come up with something else? if so could someone send it to me?

August 17th, 2009, 11:27 AM	#11 (permalink)
JeffTD Ballclap Supremus Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA Posts: 9,759	That's really, really interesting... I'll have to try it. I had no clue he reamped for Underoath - those guitars sound fucking stellar! Anyone know if he reamped for A Day To Remember, as well, or just mixed? __________________ Arcana Recordings • Facebook • Contact me for drum quantizing, general editing, and mixing.

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Metaltastic The call of the couch Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New York, USA Posts: 19,939	KSE Holy Diver cover tone = And one big plus of pulling the mic back is that it's less sensitive to placement; of course, that's not worth much if it doesn't sound better than a close mic in the perfect spot, but yeah, a shootout in a full mix would fucking RULE (and here's a link to the HD DI's, though considering how wretched the backing tracks I have are, maybe they wouldn't be the best, unless someone wants to record a quick bass line and program some decent drums! Tempo is exactly 185 bpm) __________________ Please check out my EP! (updated mix) Thread \| Myspace www.myspace.com/marcushedwig

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2000ContourSVT Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 400	I read about how he placed the SM57 six inches away from the cab in a recent magazine where they were talking about how the latest KSE album was produced. I've yet to try it but I'm real curious how it sounds. As for his tones, I really like the guitar sounds on Parkway Drive - Horizons (I don't care to much for the tones on the earlier Parkway Drive albums.) I also especially like the sound he's got on all the KSE albums, and All That Remains - The Fall of Ideals. __________________ Studio Website Studio Myspace Re-amping Available Now! PM for rates.

August 17th, 2009, 03:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
greyskull Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,499	okay cool. I'll do this this week. Which amp shall i use?? 5150, dual rec . 800? or all 3? mmm all 3 i think think ill use your dis Marcus as i just slashed my finger up on a carving knife. makes for an easier point of reference too! I'll just do one 57 and differing distances Last edited by greyskull : August 17th, 2009 at 03:37 PM.

August 17th, 2009, 04:00 PM	#16 (permalink)
s34nsm411 Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 491	Ive been experimenting with distances around 6 inches to even a foot and it definitely has a more natural sound to it. Sometimes you put a mic up super close to a cab and it just sounds weird and nothing like it does in the room (awesome). Further back it sounds more like the amp to me. But of course I always hear of some of my favorite tones being done extremely close... __________________ my soundclick - http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...?bandID=720702

August 17th, 2009, 04:39 PM	#18 (permalink)
GarethSE Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 7,615	The only good results I could ever get with my Framus cab were 2-3 inches back. that shit always sounded nice and balanced to me.

August 18th, 2009, 03:57 PM	#19 (permalink)
Rob Logic yayyyyyy! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 467	click to listen I programmed and tweaked the drums first. Tried to get the same pop out of the snare. Then I threw the DI's through my Randall RM100 into a Maxon OD808. The module in the Randall was the Treadplate module. Maxon was set at noon for every knob cept the tone knob and that was 12:30-1:00ish. Cab was a Mesa 2X12 with a SM57 pointed half on, half off of the cone 6 inches away from where the grill normally is (I keep the grill off, the mesa logo is attached to a bit of wood that hangs out over the speaker and I realized it was finding its way into the recorded sound). I used absolutely nothing on the guitars, no lopass, hipass, multiband compressor, or post eq. The tone might be a little bright but I was dicking with the presence knob a bit before I read the thread and forgot to put it back where I normally have it. Overall, one of the better "naked" tones I've gotten thus far. I like the tone I got, just proves there are multiple ways to skin a cat. Your thoughts?

August 18th, 2009, 04:00 PM	#20 (permalink)
Rob Logic yayyyyyy! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 467	ps. I'd be happy to supply the bass and drums stems if anyone wants. Just let me know and I will throw them up if anyone else wants to have a go at it. Ill take everything off of the 2 bus before I bounce them so everyone can do their own thing if you want.

August 18th, 2009, 04:11 PM	#22 (permalink)
Rob Logic yayyyyyy! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 467	fuck it... Drum Bus Bass DI Last edited by Rob Logic : August 18th, 2009 at 04:14 PM.

August 18th, 2009, 04:24 PM	#23 (permalink)
zvish myspace.com/drownmyday Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ¯\(°_o)/¯ Posts: 756	wow!!! really nothing on guitars? what guitar, pickups and interface dude ? and how loud you set your amp? Last edited by zvish : August 18th, 2009 at 04:28 PM.

August 18th, 2009, 04:36 PM	#24 (permalink)
MetalJonesy more metal, more booze!!! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Darlington/Manchester UK Posts: 3,590	rob that sounds pretty badass for no post eq etc!! __________________ -Available for mixing/remixing projects- BLUE!!

August 18th, 2009, 04:38 PM	#25 (permalink)
Rob Logic yayyyyyy! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 467	Yeah, nothing on guitars at all. Just didn't seem like they needed it when I set levels against the drums. I put stuff on but I didn't think it was essential so I left them off in the end. They are Marcus' DI's so he would be the one to answer the one about the guitars and pickups. I reamped through a Radial X-Amp. That's about all that was in the signal path other than the stuff I described earlier. My interface is a Metric Halo ULN-2. This amp is kinda wierd to describe because the level knob on the modules can crank the hell out of the amp with the master set low. I will say it was loud but not painful loud if you were in the room with the cab. Standard rock out volume... Marcus' DI's are typically top notch. I've dicked around with a few he's posted before but these were the first I've used in a full mix. The bass was a Ibanez SR505 with bartolini's into a J48. I used basic plugins in Logic 9 and Amp Designer to treat the bass DI. The amp was a "tweed" model with a 4x10 cab. Nothing off the wall. Thx for posting these up Marcus!