What the **** is wrong with people? - Page 3

Petethedrummer · May 5th, 2008, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenneth R.

I sense a lot of vegans are participating in this discussion.

haha well i'm trying to be objective

rockyracoon · May 5th, 2008, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenneth R.

I sense a lot of vegans are participating in this discussion.

Or perhaps pet owners.

JenniferLynn · May 6th, 2008, 05:53 AM

And you guys are assuming I'm a meat eater... the only meat you'll find in my house is tuna in a can.. oh wait, I've got some salmon in a can too...

And I didn't leave out the meat industry either..... But at the same token, people don't want to know how the meat gets put in the freezer - they just want it done... that great mentality of America 'I want it and I want it now'... don't give 'em the gory details, just make it happen...

And PETA's an f'n joke... seriously - they're more worried about jumpin' on a runway with a can of paint than bring the same kind of light/ attention to the meat industry.... I've gotten more info out of the Humane Society about the meat industry than PETA...

OrbWeaver · May 6th, 2008, 11:31 AM

This is true. Most people do not associate the steak on their plate with something that once had a face. I do, and it doesn't bother me. But then, I'm a country girl who knew (and knows!) plenty of farmers, and who used to go deer hunting. I've been inside a deer processing plant, and watched Mr. Blakeman hack up Bambi for the hunters. It never bothered me, and to this day, if given a chance, I'll still watch with interest.

I also used to help my dad dress and skin squirrel and rabbits that we would be eating later on. Then we'd give what we didn't use to the dog, who absolutely loved it.

Wyvern · May 6th, 2008, 10:01 PM

That son of a bitch represented my country. We were outraged here and petitions were made to ban the guy from the Bienal. Sadly some "avant-garde" fuckers decided it was art alright and kept the bastard going on. His point was that he was "protesting" because of the dead of two Nicaraguans attacked by guarding dogs (rottweillers) many months ago in here, as you can see the guy is a certified puke.

And I support Dark One idea totally.

There's something you can always count on the stupidity of mankind and its cruelty.

Kimavir · May 8th, 2008, 10:15 PM

My god. Even PETA's website states that this guy did no wrong. I'm not going to link you, because people should take the time to google and a person's name before they sign petitions and issue death threats and other idiocies. I understood it when I had to explain reality to all of my hippie friends. But metalheads? You guys are supposed to be smarter than this.

rockyracoon · May 9th, 2008, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimavir

My god. Even PETA's website states that this guy did no wrong.

Oh, well I guess that settles it.

Pellaz · May 9th, 2008, 02:06 AM

Yeah, if PETA did their research and exonerated this guy, then it pretty much does.

J-Dubya 777 · May 9th, 2008, 05:33 AM

As of April 21 2008, this is the latest info I found at peta.org. I see no mention of him being exhonorated. Since Kimavir, aka" Mr. Superior to all others in this thread" doesn't want to post a link to his side of the argument, I'll ask that anybody who has seen this "exhonoration" link it here. or shoot me a pm please.. Not trying to be a dick, but if you're going to represent one side of an argument, and just say the proof is there, just search for it, you're really not backing yourself up too well...

As a side bar, 1) I hate PETA for their stand on hunting & fishing, they're not exactly a perfect orginization themselves. Good intentions at times, bad execution in most...jmhfo

2) I like animals better than most people...

3) I believe as much of what The Guardian conjours up as much as I do The Weekly World News or The National Enquirer.

On to a c & p from Peta's blog:

PetLoversTips / CC
A lot of people have been writing in about a story related to a Costa Rican artist named Guillermo Vargas who has reportedly starved a dog as part of an art installation. The reason we’ve stayed quiet about this incident (in public, at least) is that if there is any truth at all to the allegations, the less publicity this man receives, the better. The best way to prevent desperate, ethically deficient “artists” from getting what they want is to ignore the perpetrators in public and prosecute them in private.

However, just so everyone is clear on this, there’s reason to believe that this may have been a stunt, and that some parts of this story (such as the starving of the dog) were actually fabricated for the sake of publicity. As this article in The Guardian notes,

“Juanita Bermúdez, director of the Códice Gallery, insisted [the dog] escaped after just one day. She said: ‘It was untied all the time except for the three hours the exhibition lasted and it was fed regularly with dog food [Vargas] himself brought in.’”
Whatever the cruel or weird game that Vargas is playing, if it turns out that he took this animal in and allowed her to go back out on the streets to fend for herself, he still needs to be held accountable for extreme cruelty to animals—but for the time being, the information is pretty patchy.

We’re currently investigating the incident, and I’ll update this blog if we get more information. In the meantime, whether Vargas intended it or not, this whole thing does provide an insight into human nature that will be worth considering once we’re able to look at the big picture: If we can muster up this degree of outrage about one incident of animal suffering, why are we any less horrified by the billions upon billions of similar or worse cases of abuse that we can personally help to prevent?

lady_space · May 9th, 2008, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimavir

My god. Even PETA's website states that this guy did no wrong. I'm not going to link you, because people should take the time to google and a person's name before they sign petitions and issue death threats and other idiocies. I understood it when I had to explain reality to all of my hippie friends. But metalheads? You guys are supposed to be smarter than this.

I like the assumption that no one looked any of this up... some of us certainly did, and I simply disagree with the statement that this is all a hoax. The jury's still out on that IMO.

I totally disagree with your first statement. I'd love to see where that site states any such thing, as I was unable to find that.

Shaye

Yippee38 · May 9th, 2008, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lady_space

I like the assumption that no one looked any of this up... some of us certainly did

May 6th, 2008, 05:53 AM	#53 (permalink)
JenniferLynn AKA Irish Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sterling VA Posts: 337	And you guys are assuming I'm a meat eater... the only meat you'll find in my house is tuna in a can.. oh wait, I've got some salmon in a can too... And I didn't leave out the meat industry either..... But at the same token, people don't want to know how the meat gets put in the freezer - they just want it done... that great mentality of America 'I want it and I want it now'... don't give 'em the gory details, just make it happen... And PETA's an f'n joke... seriously - they're more worried about jumpin' on a runway with a can of paint than bring the same kind of light/ attention to the meat industry.... I've gotten more info out of the Humane Society about the meat industry than PETA... __________________ Jenn ~ aka Irish and Official Crimson Glory sites slave girl www.crimson-glory.com www.myspace.com/crimsonglory www.myspace.com/truirishredhead Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons - for you are crunchy and good with ketchup Last edited by JenniferLynn : May 6th, 2008 at 06:01 AM.

May 6th, 2008, 11:31 AM	#54 (permalink)
OrbWeaver Dorkette Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Illinois, USA Posts: 1,127	This is true. Most people do not associate the steak on their plate with something that once had a face. I do, and it doesn't bother me. But then, I'm a country girl who knew (and knows!) plenty of farmers, and who used to go deer hunting. I've been inside a deer processing plant, and watched Mr. Blakeman hack up Bambi for the hunters. It never bothered me, and to this day, if given a chance, I'll still watch with interest. I also used to help my dad dress and skin squirrel and rabbits that we would be eating later on. Then we'd give what we didn't use to the dog, who absolutely loved it. __________________ I AM DEATH, NOT TAXES. I TURN UP ONLY ONCE. ~Death, from Feet of Clay by Terry Pratchett www.myspace.com/bavmordarocks

May 6th, 2008, 10:01 PM	#55 (permalink)
Wyvern Master of Disaster Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Curridabat, Costa Rica Posts: 9,715	That son of a bitch represented my country. We were outraged here and petitions were made to ban the guy from the Bienal. Sadly some "avant-garde" fuckers decided it was art alright and kept the bastard going on. His point was that he was "protesting" because of the dead of two Nicaraguans attacked by guarding dogs (rottweillers) many months ago in here, as you can see the guy is a certified puke. And I support Dark One idea totally. There's something you can always count on the stupidity of mankind and its cruelty. __________________ May God protect us from those who would speak in His name.

May 9th, 2008, 02:06 AM	#58 (permalink)
Pellaz Tigron of Immanion Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 5,117	Yeah, if PETA did their research and exonerated this guy, then it pretty much does. __________________ http://www.paulcashman.com pellaz1@comcast.net Proud sponsor of Amorphis, Sonata Arctica, Mercenary, Therion, PoS, Nightwish and Devin Townsend Band for ProgPowers past and current! On SeismicRadio as DJ-Pellaz: http://www.seismicradio.com Also on WREKage, 11:59pm Fri - 5am Sat: http://www.wrekage.org 91.1 FM Atlanta -- Atlanta radio's true home of metal for more than 20 years, also streamed live and archived for a week!

May 8th, 2008, 10:15 PM	#56 (permalink)
Kimavir Metal Hippy Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Arkansas :( Posts: 205	My god. Even PETA's website states that this guy did no wrong. I'm not going to link you, because people should take the time to google and a person's name before they sign petitions and issue death threats and other idiocies. I understood it when I had to explain reality to all of my hippie friends. But metalheads? You guys are supposed to be smarter than this.

May 9th, 2008, 05:33 AM	#59 (permalink)
J-Dubya 777 Mean ol' J-Dubya Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cheeseland USA Posts: 4,985	As of April 21 2008, this is the latest info I found at peta.org. I see no mention of him being exhonorated. Since Kimavir, aka" Mr. Superior to all others in this thread" doesn't want to post a link to his side of the argument, I'll ask that anybody who has seen this "exhonoration" link it here. or shoot me a pm please.. Not trying to be a dick, but if you're going to represent one side of an argument, and just say the proof is there, just search for it, you're really not backing yourself up too well... As a side bar, 1) I hate PETA for their stand on hunting & fishing, they're not exactly a perfect orginization themselves. Good intentions at times, bad execution in most...jmhfo 2) I like animals better than most people... 3) I believe as much of what The Guardian conjours up as much as I do The Weekly World News or The National Enquirer. On to a c & p from Peta's blog: PetLoversTips / CC A lot of people have been writing in about a story related to a Costa Rican artist named Guillermo Vargas who has reportedly starved a dog as part of an art installation. The reason we’ve stayed quiet about this incident (in public, at least) is that if there is any truth at all to the allegations, the less publicity this man receives, the better. The best way to prevent desperate, ethically deficient “artists” from getting what they want is to ignore the perpetrators in public and prosecute them in private. However, just so everyone is clear on this, there’s reason to believe that this may have been a stunt, and that some parts of this story (such as the starving of the dog) were actually fabricated for the sake of publicity. As this article in The Guardian notes, “Juanita Bermúdez, director of the Códice Gallery, insisted [the dog] escaped after just one day. She said: ‘It was untied all the time except for the three hours the exhibition lasted and it was fed regularly with dog food [Vargas] himself brought in.’” Whatever the cruel or weird game that Vargas is playing, if it turns out that he took this animal in and allowed her to go back out on the streets to fend for herself, he still needs to be held accountable for extreme cruelty to animals—but for the time being, the information is pretty patchy. We’re currently investigating the incident, and I’ll update this blog if we get more information. In the meantime, whether Vargas intended it or not, this whole thing does provide an insight into human nature that will be worth considering once we’re able to look at the big picture: If we can muster up this degree of outrage about one incident of animal suffering, why are we any less horrified by the billions upon billions of similar or worse cases of abuse that we can personally help to prevent?