Thank guys like this for the No Digital Camera Rule

Riceloft · April 11th, 2008, 10:28 PM

www.youtube.com / watch?v=BuTIRX0VBnE
www.youtube.com / watch?v=B9y-aSVgY-8

http://www.youtube.com/user/FarOffGrace

*edit*
Had to put spaces in the url to prevent it from posting the actual video instead of a link to it...weird feature.

Sumeet · April 11th, 2008, 11:54 PM

To me, this is a very weird issue. To start off with, I personally have little interest in watching professionally-recorded live videos, much less crappy cellphone or digital camera videos. So perhaps I'm coming at it from a different perspective than some people. I also have no interest in taking videos or even still photographs at a concert, as I would much rather enjoy the show while I'm actually there than divert my attention to taking pictures or video that I will never look at again anyway.

But I still can't begin to figure out why some bands care whether these types of things surface. I can't imagine how this sort of thing could hurt the band, either financially or in terms of reputation, which are the two most common reasons I've heard for bands being against this.

Then, it becomes Glenn's problem, as he needs to keep the bands happy, so bands will continue to want to play his fest.

Beyond that, I don't know who took that video, or what his intentions were. Maybe it was a newbie who doesn't frequent this forum and was not aware of the rules. Maybe it was someone who was just a total asshole and did it regardless of being asked not to. The person who filmed and / or posted that video might even be reading this very post.

Either way, the strange thing is, given the angle of the video relative to the stage, I would have been standing only several feet behind that person at the time he / she was filming, and could not possibly have missed them holding up the camera. Of course, I would have had no idea whether they were filming, taking a still, or what, and my natural instinct is not to go around trying to turn people in, so I didn't do anything about it (I believe I would have known the following year though, given the ensuing discussions on this board).

But that just goes to show how it's basically impossible to police this kind of thing. So ultimately, the camera policy was tightened to the extent it is today. I imagine this is not something Glenn would have wanted to do of his own accord, but given the pressure of bands not wanting to be filmed, and the ever-increasing capabilities of tiny digital devices, this seems like the only feasible option at this point.

Of course, it's a lot easier for me to say this than it is for some people, as I have absolutely no interest in taking pictures at all, and don't even own a camera. Actually, I liked that one year where people who wanted to bring in digital cameras had to stand in that special line and get their cameras checked out by an expert. Not only because it shows the extreme measures Glenn is willing to attempt to keep both bands and fans satisfied, but because it meant more people were waiting in the slow, camera line, so there were less people in the non-camera line!

Kaosaur · April 12th, 2008, 12:29 AM

If you look at the youtube link and then go to the website, it says it's the Official US Website for Vanden Plas.

Assuming that this is true, i don't see the problem here. It hasn't been updated in quite a while but the posting of the live videos seems to have been to drum up interest here in the US and sell tickets to last year's ProgPower.

Harvester · April 12th, 2008, 08:00 AM

I was not going to comment and I don't plan on commenting further. First thanks to Riceloft for pointing that out. He is indeed correct that those are prime examples of why I don't allow digital cameras. Second, Kaosaur is correct in that the individual runs VPlas's official U.S. website and is associated with the band. I always allow bands to film themselves using whatever camera and also allow them to do whatever with the footage provided they simply ask. This would not have been a problem had someone ask me. I was not asked about this footage nor did I know it was even shot.

TENTH DREAMER DECEIVER · April 12th, 2008, 09:23 AM

Excellent.

There is nothing worse than when enjoying a show, someone sticks their camera in front of your line of sight to take video/pictures.

Wyvern · April 21st, 2008, 08:23 PM

I don't care about movies and/or pictures of the band playing on stage. I know some quality ones will come after it, but I like to take pics of my friends and I enjoying the show, or pictures of me and some members of a band when signing so the rule affects me, and yes I know I can go with a film camera but it's not the same, you don't have the capability to see if the pic came out good and otherwise deleted on site.
One more thing, what about digital reflex cameras?, they can't take movies.

April 11th, 2008, 10:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
Riceloft Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Parma, OH Posts: 344	Thank guys like this for the No Digital Camera Rule www.youtube.com / watch?v=BuTIRX0VBnE www.youtube.com / watch?v=B9y-aSVgY-8 http://www.youtube.com/user/FarOffGrace edit Had to put spaces in the url to prevent it from posting the actual video instead of a link to it...weird feature. __________________ If you are looking for a band that sounds just like your favorite band, just forget about us. If you are looking for a band that will make you forget about your favorite band, we are here, just walk down Remedy Lane a few times and you will never be the same again.. -Daniel Gildenlow, Pain of Salvation Last edited by Riceloft : April 11th, 2008 at 10:31 PM.

April 11th, 2008, 11:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
Sumeet Multi-Grain Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 488	To me, this is a very weird issue. To start off with, I personally have little interest in watching professionally-recorded live videos, much less crappy cellphone or digital camera videos. So perhaps I'm coming at it from a different perspective than some people. I also have no interest in taking videos or even still photographs at a concert, as I would much rather enjoy the show while I'm actually there than divert my attention to taking pictures or video that I will never look at again anyway. But I still can't begin to figure out why some bands care whether these types of things surface. I can't imagine how this sort of thing could hurt the band, either financially or in terms of reputation, which are the two most common reasons I've heard for bands being against this. Then, it becomes Glenn's problem, as he needs to keep the bands happy, so bands will continue to want to play his fest. Beyond that, I don't know who took that video, or what his intentions were. Maybe it was a newbie who doesn't frequent this forum and was not aware of the rules. Maybe it was someone who was just a total asshole and did it regardless of being asked not to. The person who filmed and / or posted that video might even be reading this very post. Either way, the strange thing is, given the angle of the video relative to the stage, I would have been standing only several feet behind that person at the time he / she was filming, and could not possibly have missed them holding up the camera. Of course, I would have had no idea whether they were filming, taking a still, or what, and my natural instinct is not to go around trying to turn people in, so I didn't do anything about it (I believe I would have known the following year though, given the ensuing discussions on this board). But that just goes to show how it's basically impossible to police this kind of thing. So ultimately, the camera policy was tightened to the extent it is today. I imagine this is not something Glenn would have wanted to do of his own accord, but given the pressure of bands not wanting to be filmed, and the ever-increasing capabilities of tiny digital devices, this seems like the only feasible option at this point. Of course, it's a lot easier for me to say this than it is for some people, as I have absolutely no interest in taking pictures at all, and don't even own a camera. Actually, I liked that one year where people who wanted to bring in digital cameras had to stand in that special line and get their cameras checked out by an expert. Not only because it shows the extreme measures Glenn is willing to attempt to keep both bands and fans satisfied, but because it meant more people were waiting in the slow, camera line, so there were less people in the non-camera line! __________________ I've always known I was in the line of succession to the title of "America's Anchor"... right behind Animal Planet's Jeff Corwin. But I thought in order to attain the crown, I'd have to arrange for Wolf Blitzer to have a beard trimmer "accident"! - Stephen Colbert

April 12th, 2008, 08:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
Harvester The Promoter Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,272	I was not going to comment and I don't plan on commenting further. First thanks to Riceloft for pointing that out. He is indeed correct that those are prime examples of why I don't allow digital cameras. Second, Kaosaur is correct in that the individual runs VPlas's official U.S. website and is associated with the band. I always allow bands to film themselves using whatever camera and also allow them to do whatever with the footage provided they simply ask. This would not have been a problem had someone ask me. I was not asked about this footage nor did I know it was even shot. __________________ Meet my other musical family

April 12th, 2008, 09:23 AM	#5 (permalink)
TENTH DREAMER DECEIVER Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 735	Excellent. There is nothing worse than when enjoying a show, someone sticks their camera in front of your line of sight to take video/pictures. __________________ 2008 Shows Sonata Arctica Iron Maiden - Toronto Y&T - San Francisco (Fillmore!) Nightwish Prog Nation - Dream Theater, Opeth etc Local VIP Dark Tranquillity Gigantour - Megadeth, In Flames Iron Maiden HCW Winner Judas Priest: Vancouver Platinum VIP Monsters of Rock - VIP Crue Fest Circle II Circle - Atlanta Helloween/Gamma Ray - Atlanta ProgPower USA IX - Iced Earth, Amorphis etc - Atlanta Helloween VIP Y&T: Mystic Theatre 2 nights!

April 21st, 2008, 08:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
Wyvern Master of Disaster Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Curridabat, Costa Rica Posts: 9,848	I don't care about movies and/or pictures of the band playing on stage. I know some quality ones will come after it, but I like to take pics of my friends and I enjoying the show, or pictures of me and some members of a band when signing so the rule affects me, and yes I know I can go with a film camera but it's not the same, you don't have the capability to see if the pic came out good and otherwise deleted on site. One more thing, what about digital reflex cameras?, they can't take movies. __________________ May God protect us from those who would speak in His name.

April 12th, 2008, 12:29 AM	#3 (permalink)
Kaosaur Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New York City, NY Posts: 457	If you look at the youtube link and then go to the website, it says it's the Official US Website for Vanden Plas. Assuming that this is true, i don't see the problem here. It hasn't been updated in quite a while but the posting of the live videos seems to have been to drum up interest here in the US and sell tickets to last year's ProgPower.