Alice in Chains- A Looking in View

Harvester · June 30th, 2009, 11:56 AM

Love it.

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Pate · June 30th, 2009, 01:05 PM

I like it, despite my feelings on the band's reformation.

Imagikafan · June 30th, 2009, 04:44 PM

I like it, too.

dtfanatic · June 30th, 2009, 04:55 PM

Love the song. I personally have never had a problem with their reformation and am finally glad to hear new music. I've seen them twice with William Duvall and he does a fantastic job considering who he has had to follow.

The Invisible Guest · June 30th, 2009, 05:35 PM

It starts off pretty killer, but then it never really goes anywhere. It just seems long, drawn out, and kind of boring after the three minute mark. They should have chopped four minutes off the song.

Britt

MetalAges · June 30th, 2009, 07:14 PM

Agreed also love it! It's always dangerous when bands come out of hiding after this long with new material, much less with a new vocalist replacing such an awesome predecessor.

Alice in Chains didn't disappoint so far! Definitely interested to see how the rest of the album will sound.

General Zod · June 30th, 2009, 07:25 PM

If it aint Layne, it aint Alice.

Zod

RagerX · June 30th, 2009, 07:34 PM

I'm stoked for this new album! Don't forget, Jerry had a huge part in AIC's vocal style which seems pretty intact here...

General Zod · June 30th, 2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RagerX

Don't forget, Jerry had a huge part in AIC's vocal style which seems pretty intact here...

I'm not sure how that makes bringing in a Layne clone acceptable.

Jerry is doing what many legendary music acts have done... failed to demonstrate the integrity to move on and allow the band to die with dignity, alongside its fallen member. Jerry tried to move on, failed and has returned for a paycheck. It's his right to do that, it's my right to lose all respect for him.

And as for Jerry's musical genius...

Mad Season > anything Jerry's ever done

Zod

ICEDEARTHFAN · June 30th, 2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by General Zod

I'm not sure how that makes bringing in a Layne clone acceptable.

Jerry is doing what many legendary music acts have done... failed to demonstrate the integrity to move on and allow the band die with dignity, alongside its fallen member. Jerry tried to move on, failed, and has returned for a paycheck. It's his right to do that, it's my right to lose all respect for him.

And as for Jerry's musical genius...

Mad Season > anything Jerry's ever done

Zod

I tend to agree with you Zod.I would prefer a band to reinvent themselves with a new singer.I may be the only one on this board who will admit this,but I loved Motley Crue with Jon Corabi more than I did with Vince Neil.Jon sounded NOTHING like Vince and I liked that.

dtfanatic · June 30th, 2009, 07:58 PM

I disagree. It's not Jerry's fault that Layne was a junkie who couldn't stop until he was dead. If AC/DC had stopped after Highway to Hell we wouldn't have got Back in Black. I think he should've kept it going long ago. Whether a solo career failed or not is irrelevant. The music he makes with the other other two guys in AiC outweighs not having Layne there. Duvall is similar to Layne but I wouldn't call him a clone, and he is excellent live, both vocally and adding second guitar which is something the band didn't have before. He does a great job for the shoes he has to fill.

es156 · June 30th, 2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dtfanatic

I disagree. It's not Jerry's fault that Layne was a junkie who couldn't stop until he was dead. If AC/DC had stopped after Highway to Hell we wouldn't have got Back in Black. I think he should've kept it going long ago. Whether a solo career failed or not is irrelevant. The music he makes with the other other two guys in AiC outweighs not having Layne there. Duvall is similar to Layne but I wouldn't call him a clone, and he is excellent live, both vocally and adding second guitar which is something the band didn't have before. He does a great job for the shoes he has to fill.

I totally agree with this. Well said.

Harvester · June 30th, 2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dtfanatic

I disagree. It's not Jerry's fault that Layne was a junkie who couldn't stop until he was dead. If AC/DC had stopped after Highway to Hell we wouldn't have got Back in Black. I think he should've kept it going long ago. Whether a solo career failed or not is irrelevant. The music he makes with the other other two guys in AiC outweighs not having Layne there. Duvall is similar to Layne but I wouldn't call him a clone, and he is excellent live, both vocally and adding second guitar which is something the band didn't have before. He does a great job for the shoes he has to fill.

I agree as well.

Zod and Britt are just bringing back the Royal Carnage Revolution with all their posts lately!!

The Invisible Guest · June 30th, 2009, 08:19 PM

There's no revolution ... just lots of mediocrity getting lots of hype around here these days.

I gave the song a good honest listen .. thought it waned around the four minute mark.

Britt

General Zod · June 30th, 2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dtfanatic

I disagree. It's not Jerry's fault that Layne was a junkie who couldn't stop until he was dead.

I never insinuated it was. However, he lost his friend, a founding member and the face of the band. In addition, half the songs were about Layne. I've always had a world of respect for Plant for putting Zeppelin to bed after the passing of Bohnam. Jerry should have followed suit.

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Originally Posted by dtfanatic

If AC/DC had stopped after Highway to Hell we wouldn't have got Back in Black.

You've merely chosen the exception that proves the rule.

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Originally Posted by dtfanatic

Whether a solo career failed or not is irrelevant.

It's relevant to his intentions.

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Originally Posted by dtfanatic

The music he makes with the other other two guys in AiC outweighs not having Layne there.

Yeah... like anyone cares who the other two guys are. 99% of the people who will show up to these shows wouldn't even notice if Jerry replaced the rhythm section.

He can make whatever music he wishes. If he hooked up with a talented singer who was completely different from Layne, I'd be curious to hear it. This is a move to replenish his 401K.

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Originally Posted by dtfanatic

Duvall is similar to Layne but I wouldn't call him a clone, and he is excellent live, both vocally and adding second guitar which is something the band didn't have before. He does a great job for the shoes he has to fill.

Come on... he's a clone.

Zod

General Zod · June 30th, 2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ICEDEARTHFAN

I tend to agree with you Zod.I would prefer a band to reinvent themselves with a new singer.I may be the only one on this board who will admit this,but I loved Motley Crue with Jon Corabi more than I did with Vince Neil.Jon sounded NOTHING like Vince and I liked that.

I think your nuts on the Vince thing, as Shout is one of my favorite discs of all-time. But I respect you for saying as much.

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There's no revolution ... just lots of mediocrity getting lots of hype around here these days.

QFT.

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Originally Posted by Harvester

Zod and Britt are just bringing back the Royal Carnage Revolution with all their posts lately!!

I wish. I can't even begin to tell you how much great music I discovered there (neck and neck with here). Shame it turned into a shithole with 99% of the threads being off topic.

Zod

Pate · June 30th, 2009, 09:28 PM

I really don't see how the new guy is a Layne clone. Most of the time he sounds like shit, which Layne certainly did not.

Palabra de Dios · June 30th, 2009, 09:49 PM

I'm torn on this issue, because AiC has always been a band I liked, despite only having a select number of albums/EPs (all of which are fucking good). I hate that the band's sound was largely reliant on such a unique voice in a way, because it really makes the reunion attempt seem lackluster.

BUT---I think the new song is pretty damn good, and I've heard that these guys still sound great live, so maybe I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. I'll check out the new album, and if it's trash, then I'm done with them for now and I'll go back to their old genius.

James · June 30th, 2009, 09:50 PM

I guess I'll go ahead and be a homer for the local dude and say I dig it; however, with respect to him being a clone, I guess I don't hear even a remote resemblance to Layne in his previous work.

With respect to Crue, Corabi SMOKES Vince Neil, and the most entertaining (and enduring) thing to result from the "Shout" recordings is the Nikki Sixx versus Tom Werman pissing contest via the Internets.

Oh, and I don't care how much people still love "Back in Black"...having to suffer through nearly THREE DECADES of Brian Johnson screeching and wheezing his way through the Bon Scott-era tunes was a hell of a price to pay for that one album.

ICEDEARTHFAN · June 30th, 2009, 11:26 PM

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I think your nuts on the Vince thing, as Shout is one of my favorite discs of all-time. But I respect you for saying as much.

I also love "Shout".I had 2nd row seats to the concert in Birmingham,AL back when they came with Megadeth.I think it was called the "Maximum Rock" tour.Vince asked the crowd toward the end of the set to pick the next song.He gave us 3 choices:
1. Knock 'Em Dead Kid (One of my faves with Vince)
2. Helter Skelter
3. Too Young To Fall In Love

The crowd got the loudest on Helter Sklelter so that's what they played.Really enjoyed that show.........

Just wanted to clarify my statement.Notice I said I love Jon more than I love Vince,which means I love both,just preferred Jon a little more

I'm glad they didn't try to get a Vince clone for that brief period.It gave me the oppurtunity to hear Jon and to appreciate his donation to the Crue world

TENTH DREAMER DECEIVER · July 1st, 2009, 12:26 AM

Bought the tune earlier today and it fits well with the rest of their catalogue. Good for Jerry for continuing on!

Infinite Void · July 1st, 2009, 03:54 AM

I'm kind of with some of you here.

AIC just ain't AIC w/out Layne. But at the same time the rest of the band was full of talent as well. I want to give these guys a chance because I loved their old stuff, but it's going to be tough without Layne's haunting voice.

dtfanatic · July 1st, 2009, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by General Zod

I never insinuated it was. However, he lost his friend, a founding member and the face of the band. In addition, half the songs were about Layne. I've always had a world of respect for Plant for putting Zeppelin to bed after the passing of Bohnam. Jerry should have followed suit.

You've merely chosen the exception that proves the rule.

It's relevant to his intentions.

Yeah... like anyone cares who the other two guys are. 99% of the people who will show up to these shows wouldn't even notice if Jerry replaced the rhythm section.

He can make whatever music he wishes. If he hooked up with a talented singer who was completely different from Layne, I'd be curious to hear it. This is a move to replenish his 401K.

Come on... he's a clone.

Zod

Irregardless if AC/DC is the exception, there is still an exception to your "rule", thus proving a band can go on. I'm sure in 1980 there were Zod's going "It's not AC/DC without Bon".

I care who's in the band. And would not show up if it wasn't the other guys, just like I don't show up for G n R and Megadeth shows. While it is true that a lot people might not care who's in the band, your point is moot because it is the guys who were in the band.

Duvall is not a clone. He has been touring with Jerry BEFORE Layne died. No one made a big deal of who he was until they started doing shows under the Alice name.

General Zod · July 1st, 2009, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dtfanatic

Irregardless if AC/DC is the exception, there is still an exception to your "rule", thus proving a band can go on.

Actually... it's the exception that proves the rule.

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Originally Posted by dtfanatic

I'm sure in 1980 there were Zod's going "It's not AC/DC without Bon".

There can be only one.

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I care who's in the band.

Then you're in that 1%.

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Originally Posted by dtfanatic

No one made a big deal of who he was until they started doing shows under the Alice name.

Exactly. Jerry can make music with whoever he likes. However, as soon as he calls it AiC, it becomes an insult to Layne's memory.

Zod

General Zod · July 1st, 2009, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Pate

I really don't see how the new guy is a Layne clone.

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Originally Posted by James

...however, with respect to him being a clone, I guess I don't hear even a remote resemblance to Layne in his previous work.

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Originally Posted by dtfanatic

Duvall is not a clone.

My clone comment was based on a few AiC covers I heard him do, not this song. I haven't heard this song and have no interest in hearing this song.

Look... to each their own. Some people like steak, some like chicken. Some people like having sex with chickens. Some people like bastardized versions of Alice in Chains. Am I saying that everyone who likes this song probably also likes to have sex with chickens? No... not explicitly.

Zod

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Imagikafan AKA Pooch - Mark Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Sunnyvale, California Posts: 988	I like it, too. __________________ Keep Your Rap Out Of My Metal!

June 30th, 2009, 04:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
dtfanatic Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 100	Love the song. I personally have never had a problem with their reformation and am finally glad to hear new music. I've seen them twice with William Duvall and he does a fantastic job considering who he has had to follow. Last edited by dtfanatic : June 30th, 2009 at 08:22 PM.

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MetalAges Ultimate Metal admin Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 163,490	Agreed also love it! It's always dangerous when bands come out of hiding after this long with new material, much less with a new vocalist replacing such an awesome predecessor. Alice in Chains didn't disappoint so far! Definitely interested to see how the rest of the album will sound. __________________ Deron :: ultimatemetal.com :: metalages.com :: progpowerusa.com

June 30th, 2009, 07:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
General Zod Ruler of Australia Join Date: May 2001 Location: New Jersey Posts: 10,843	If it aint Layne, it aint Alice. Zod __________________ "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer gods than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” Stephen F. Roberts

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dtfanatic Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 100	I disagree. It's not Jerry's fault that Layne was a junkie who couldn't stop until he was dead. If AC/DC had stopped after Highway to Hell we wouldn't have got Back in Black. I think he should've kept it going long ago. Whether a solo career failed or not is irrelevant. The music he makes with the other other two guys in AiC outweighs not having Layne there. Duvall is similar to Layne but I wouldn't call him a clone, and he is excellent live, both vocally and adding second guitar which is something the band didn't have before. He does a great job for the shoes he has to fill. Last edited by dtfanatic : June 30th, 2009 at 08:00 PM.

June 30th, 2009, 01:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
Pate Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bradley University Posts: 3,016	I like it, despite my feelings on the band's reformation.

June 30th, 2009, 05:35 PM	#5 (permalink)
The Invisible Guest Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,194	It starts off pretty killer, but then it never really goes anywhere. It just seems long, drawn out, and kind of boring after the three minute mark. They should have chopped four minutes off the song. Britt

June 30th, 2009, 07:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
RagerX VOR Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Atlanta Posts: 21	I'm stoked for this new album! Don't forget, Jerry had a huge part in AIC's vocal style which seems pretty intact here...

June 30th, 2009, 08:19 PM	#14 (permalink)
The Invisible Guest Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,194	There's no revolution ... just lots of mediocrity getting lots of hype around here these days. I gave the song a good honest listen .. thought it waned around the four minute mark. Britt Last edited by The Invisible Guest : June 30th, 2009 at 08:37 PM.

June 30th, 2009, 09:28 PM	#17 (permalink)
Pate Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bradley University Posts: 3,016	I really don't see how the new guy is a Layne clone. Most of the time he sounds like shit, which Layne certainly did not.

June 30th, 2009, 09:49 PM	#18 (permalink)
Palabra de Dios Deep South Metal Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Starkville, Mississippi Posts: 1,390	I'm torn on this issue, because AiC has always been a band I liked, despite only having a select number of albums/EPs (all of which are fucking good). I hate that the band's sound was largely reliant on such a unique voice in a way, because it really makes the reunion attempt seem lackluster. BUT---I think the new song is pretty damn good, and I've heard that these guys still sound great live, so maybe I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. I'll check out the new album, and if it's trash, then I'm done with them for now and I'll go back to their old genius. __________________ I have one Desire Let it be A Pestilence upon your lands A Plague upon all your houses It is my wish To Enslave all your people The soil enriched with their Blood To Burn your places of Worship Our Gods shall become your Gods -- Primordial, "Gods to the Godless"

June 30th, 2009, 09:50 PM	#19 (permalink)
James Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 475	I guess I'll go ahead and be a homer for the local dude and say I dig it; however, with respect to him being a clone, I guess I don't hear even a remote resemblance to Layne in his previous work. With respect to Crue, Corabi SMOKES Vince Neil, and the most entertaining (and enduring) thing to result from the "Shout" recordings is the Nikki Sixx versus Tom Werman pissing contest via the Internets. Oh, and I don't care how much people still love "Back in Black"...having to suffer through nearly THREE DECADES of Brian Johnson screeching and wheezing his way through the Bon Scott-era tunes was a hell of a price to pay for that one album. __________________ http://www.TORQUESTRA.com

June 30th, 2009, 11:26 PM	#20 (permalink)
ICEDEARTHFAN MyDixieWrecked Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Northeast Alabama Posts: 215	[quote=General Zod;8381033] I think your nuts on the Vince thing, as Shout is one of my favorite discs of all-time. But I respect you for saying as much. I also love "Shout".I had 2nd row seats to the concert in Birmingham,AL back when they came with Megadeth.I think it was called the "Maximum Rock" tour.Vince asked the crowd toward the end of the set to pick the next song.He gave us 3 choices: 1. Knock 'Em Dead Kid (One of my faves with Vince) 2. Helter Skelter 3. Too Young To Fall In Love The crowd got the loudest on Helter Sklelter so that's what they played.Really enjoyed that show......... Just wanted to clarify my statement.Notice I said I love Jon more than I love Vince,which means I love both,just preferred Jon a little more I'm glad they didn't try to get a Vince clone for that brief period.It gave me the oppurtunity to hear Jon and to appreciate his donation to the Crue world

July 1st, 2009, 12:26 AM	#21 (permalink)
TENTH DREAMER DECEIVER Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,201	Bought the tune earlier today and it fits well with the rest of their catalogue. Good for Jerry for continuing on! __________________ 2010 Shows Confirmed Alice In Chains: Vancouver Megadeth: Calgary Rock of Ages: New York Accept: New York Y&T: San Francisco Iron Maiden: Vancouver

July 1st, 2009, 03:54 AM	#22 (permalink)
Infinite Void Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, Ma Posts: 22	I'm kind of with some of you here. AIC just ain't AIC w/out Layne. But at the same time the rest of the band was full of talent as well. I want to give these guys a chance because I loved their old stuff, but it's going to be tough without Layne's haunting voice.