Metal Evolution - Page 7

Diabolik · February 10th, 2012, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Arabianhazard

The most suitable label for Savatage would have to be "Awesome".

if there was an "Overrated" episode they could be on that one.

J. Golden · February 10th, 2012, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Diabolik

if there was an "Overrated" episode they could be on that one.

yeah, can't agree with you there. Savatage are/were pretty awesome and if anything are underrated. As for being progressive no not at all unless you are referring to the 'Hall of the Mountain King' period when Meatloaf found his Steinman and they started to make the band an Andrew Lloyd Webber rock project. And they were "progressive" at this point well then that was long ago; we saw where Savatage was going, it went there and stayed there, thus no longer progress any further. To call Savatage a progressive metal band is kind of stretching itm to say they are not awesome is just wrong.
Wait does Savatage have a 20 minute song? They have keys and from what I can tell there are a group of people that believe it only takes keys and a 20 minute song to be progressive, so maybe...
Come to think of it isn't that how Symphony X got in the club?

Jasonic · February 10th, 2012, 11:12 PM

I think Bob's hatred of Savatage simply comes from how praised they are around these parts.

I mean, he used to be a huge Nightwish fan and is a huge Avantasia fan.

I think if he sat down and listened to Streets or Wake of Magellan or Dead Winter Dead in full, his opinion of them would change immediately.

Diabolik · February 11th, 2012, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jasonic

I think Bob's hatred of Savatage simply comes from how praised they are around these parts.

I mean, he used to be a huge Nightwish fan and is a huge Avantasia fan.

I think if he sat down and listened to Streets or Wake of Magellan or Dead Winter Dead in full, his opinion of them would change immediately.

nope, saw them live once and it wasnt very good.

Jasonic · February 11th, 2012, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Diabolik

nope, saw them live once and it wasnt very good.

You saw them on the Gutter Ballet tour.
I mentioned the albums above because those were from later in their career, and I think might be more up your alley.....

Arabianhazard · February 11th, 2012, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Diabolik

if there was an "Overrated" episode they could be on that one.

I almost had a stroke reading this.

J. Golden · February 11th, 2012, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jasonic

I think Bob's hatred of Savatage simply comes from how praised they are around these parts.

I mean, he used to be a huge Nightwish fan and is a huge Avantasia fan.

I think if he sat down and listened to Streets or Wake of Magellan or Dead Winter Dead in full, his opinion of them would change immediately.

I can understand completely.

Justin Gaines · February 11th, 2012, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Diabolik

if there was an "Overrated" episode they could be on that one.

Are you kidding me?

Justin Gaines · February 11th, 2012, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Diabolik

nope, saw them live once and it wasnt very good.

I'm bringing a baseball bat with me in May. I'm just saying...

General Zod · February 11th, 2012, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Diabolik

uuummmm VoiVod beat them with the whole concept album I think. Killing Technology is the start off point for the VoioVod story. While not being full on prog. They are a band that was always way ahead of the rest in changing and trying new things.

I knew someone would find one that pre-dated it.

So allow me to rephrase... the first one that made an impact. The reason concept albums became so wildly popular in the genre, is because of Mindcrime.

nomisofsiman · February 11th, 2012, 11:37 AM

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Categorization is the main problem with this documentary. As he confesses he is not too familiar with a specific genre, yet he has no problem labeling some bands under a certain genre that is does not know much about. As he defined what power metal is , he almost defined Iron Maiden. And even though he is familiar with Iron Maiden and since he labelled them into NWOBHM (which is more of a "point in time" genre, Diamond Head and Maiden could not be more different), he could not call them power metal.

See, I would have to disagree with you there. I don't know what his definition is as I haven't seen these yet, but in terms of Maiden, I would argue they basically are pre-power metal. If for sake of argument if Maiden were to come out today, I'm pretty damn sure people would label them as power metal. Hell, a lot of bands trying to be Iron Maiden are power metal. From reviews I read when Helloween came out, people initially were slagging them even for being an Iron Maiden clone (even though Kai's inspiration was more Priest than Maiden). That is my problem though with calling NWOBHM a genre. It isn't. It's a movement. Iron Maiden, Diamond Head, Witchfinder General, Tank and Saxon are all considered NWOBHM, yet most of them don't sound a damn thing alike.

nomisofsiman · February 11th, 2012, 11:37 AM

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I'm bringing a baseball bat with me in May. I'm just saying...

Searching for "like" button.

miel · March 22nd, 2012, 04:51 PM

From Bravewords.com: VH-1 Metal Evolution Documentary Series To Be Released On DVD on March 27th. Pre-order now on Amazon for $22.49

~Jen

VenomGA · March 22nd, 2012, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by miel

From Bravewords.com: VH-1 Metal Evolution Documentary Series To Be Released On DVD on March 27th. Pre-order now on Amazon for $22.49

~Jen

Just ordered, thanks Jen!!

TribunalRecords · March 23rd, 2012, 12:44 PM

are they adding a Black Metal and Death Metal episode to the DVD set? hahaha. kind of incomplete without it, but hey it's VH1 and they don't like extremity it seems (or like i was told personally).

Pelata · March 23rd, 2012, 01:08 PM

The DVD's are an Amazon Exclusive through their CreateSpace program...DVDs are manufactured as ordered.

Justin Gaines · March 23rd, 2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelata

The DVD's are an Amazon Exclusive through their CreateSpace program...DVDs are manufactured as ordered.

Meaning DVD-Rs. Screw that.

Pelata · March 23rd, 2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin Gaines

Meaning DVD-Rs. Screw that.

You're going to see more and more "on demand" pressing like that as time goes on...it keeps distribution and pressing costs way down.

Justin Gaines · March 23rd, 2012, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelata

You're going to see more and more "on demand" pressing like that as time goes on...it keeps distribution and pressing costs way down.

I'm sure it does, but I'm not buying burns.

Pelata · March 23rd, 2012, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin Gaines

I'm sure it does, but I'm not buying burns.

Everything you buy is a burn, technically.

Pelata · March 23rd, 2012, 03:19 PM

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Everything you buy is a burn, technically.

I'm going to go ahead and correct myself...I was wrong.

TribunalRecords · March 23rd, 2012, 03:26 PM

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I'm going to go ahead and correct myself...I was wrong.

glad i didn't have to jump in with the definition. hahaha.

but yes, it seems Amazon is going this way on things they don't expect to sell many copies of.

i actually just got a few boxes of CreateSpace CDRs from labels with ILD (my distributor) and while they look VERY good, they definitely cannot replace the original CD. i was impressed however, but i would rather spend the money, as a label, to print the real thing. and if i cannot print the real thing then a digital only release. but a CDR copy is slightly insulting to the consumer i would think.

Pelata · March 23rd, 2012, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TribunalRecords

glad i didn't have to jump in with the definition. hahaha.

but yes, it seems Amazon is going this way on things they don't expect to sell many copies of.

i actually just got a few boxes of CreateSpace CDRs from labels with ILD (my distributor) and while they look VERY good, they definitely cannot replace the original CD. i was impressed however, but i would rather spend the money, as a label, to print the real thing. and if i cannot print the real thing then a digital only release. but a CDR copy is slightly insulting to the consumer i would think.

I can see a CDR copy being offensive to audiophiles/uber collectors (present company accepted), but most other people probably wouldn't care or even immediately tell the difference.

Nidstang · March 23rd, 2012, 10:02 PM

I really wasn't a fan of this series.
As a fan of metal already, it really didnt make me go "oh wow, I didnt know that information."
Plus they did a section on shock rock and nu metal, which my opinion have nothing to do with metal in the slightest.
Its pretty good for someone who doesnt know about the genre, and are interested.
However it wasnt all that great.

Logan5 · March 23rd, 2012, 10:33 PM

Was hoping for some additional footage, but it seems these are basically what aired, so no real value; especially to those well versed in the history of metal to begin with.

February 10th, 2012, 11:12 PM	#153 (permalink)
Jasonic Doom On! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: West Burbs of Chicago Posts: 16,516	I think Bob's hatred of Savatage simply comes from how praised they are around these parts. I mean, he used to be a huge Nightwish fan and is a huge Avantasia fan. I think if he sat down and listened to Streets or Wake of Magellan or Dead Winter Dead in full, his opinion of them would change immediately. __________________ NEXT SHOW: Friday June 14 @ Penny Road Pub w/ LEATHERWOLF Ancient Dreams "MMXIII" available now ancientdreamsmetal.bandcamp.com www.facebook.com/ancientdreamsmetal

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miel Mrs. Harvester Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,296	From Bravewords.com: VH-1 Metal Evolution Documentary Series To Be Released On DVD on March 27th. Pre-order now on Amazon for $22.49 ~Jen __________________ Be sure to visit ProgPower USA's official: Facebook MySpace Twitter YouTube Channel Tumblr Last.fm Group Flickr Group Pandora Google+ Pinterest Instagram new!

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TribunalRecords Record Label(s)/Vocalist Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,858	are they adding a Black Metal and Death Metal episode to the DVD set? hahaha. kind of incomplete without it, but hey it's VH1 and they don't like extremity it seems (or like i was told personally). __________________ Matthew Rudzinski TRIBUNAL RECORDS DIVEBOMB RECORDS

March 23rd, 2012, 10:02 PM	#174 (permalink)
Nidstang The Melancholy Spirit Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Canadaland Posts: 204	I really wasn't a fan of this series. As a fan of metal already, it really didnt make me go "oh wow, I didnt know that information." Plus they did a section on shock rock and nu metal, which my opinion have nothing to do with metal in the slightest. Its pretty good for someone who doesnt know about the genre, and are interested. However it wasnt all that great. __________________

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Pelata Dr. Extremus Melodicus Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,474	The DVD's are an Amazon Exclusive through their CreateSpace program...DVDs are manufactured as ordered.

March 23rd, 2012, 10:33 PM	#175 (permalink)
Logan5 Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Albany NY area Posts: 97	Was hoping for some additional footage, but it seems these are basically what aired, so no real value; especially to those well versed in the history of metal to begin with.