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Old February 21st, 2012, 04:59 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I like doom, just not cheesy overrated, D&D playing St. Vitus or Candlemass cover bands. In fact, I wouldn't even call most of that crap doom in the first place - it's mid-tempo and filled with triumphant melodies and guitar refrains. It's about as "doom" as a litter of puppies. I like My Dying Bride, October Tide, Daylight Dies, Rapture, early-Katatonia, Saturnus, Swallow The Sun, Uaral, Ufomammut, Cough, YOB. You know (or maybe not???), original bands that actually do something different with their music and actually sound like miserable "doomy" bands.
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 08:26 AM   #27 (permalink)
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See, there lays the difference my friend.
Most of the doom bands you stated above I would not consider doom, aside from YOB.
Those are all dark metal bands with doom influences.

Yeah, I am being picky here, but many here would get picky about what is referred to as prog VS power right??

Listen closer to Gates of Slumber.
Sure, Vitus are a MAJOR influence, but there is just as much Deep Purple and Rainbow and Manilla Road going on as there is Vitus.
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 09:27 AM   #28 (permalink)
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See, there lays the difference my friend.
Most of the doom bands you stated above I would not consider doom, aside from YOB.
Those are all dark metal bands with doom influences.

Yeah, I am being picky here, but many here would get picky about what is referred to as prog VS power right??

Listen closer to Gates of Slumber.
Sure, Vitus are a MAJOR influence, but there is just as much Deep Purple and Rainbow and Manilla Road going on as there is Vitus.
As much as I hate to say it.....Jason is right.
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 09:38 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 09:42 AM   #30 (permalink)
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As much as I hate to say it.....Jason is right.
Why would you hate to say I am right about one of my favorite new bands from the past 5 years?????
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 09:43 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 09:43 AM   #32 (permalink)
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What is 'dark metal'?????

Been on a big Angel Witch kick. Such a great band. It'd be awesome to see them at PP one day.
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 09:45 AM   #33 (permalink)
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That Angel Witch cover art is cool. Song is pretty cool too.
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 09:49 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Dark metal to me covers a wide spectrum of bands that are not full on death metal or doom metal.

Novembers Doom is a primary example.
Aeonic mentioned many others, like MDB, Saturnus, Swallow The Sun, etc.
I would include Draconian as well, and even early Katatonia.

I know I have referred to MDB as dark metal before and many here vehemently disagreed saying they are the epitome of doom metal.

There is as much Celtic Frost as their is Black Sabbath in My Dying Bride. As well as many other influences.

Therefore, to me, it falls under what I call "dark metal"
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 10:20 AM   #36 (permalink)
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I was referring to Bob's statement.
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Dark metal to me covers a wide spectrum of bands that are not full on death metal or doom metal.

Novembers Doom is a primary example.
Aeonic mentioned many others, like MDB, Saturnus, Swallow The Sun, etc.
I would include Draconian as well, and even early Katatonia.

I know I have referred to MDB as dark metal before and many here vehemently disagreed saying they are the epitome of doom metal.

There is as much Celtic Frost as their is Black Sabbath in My Dying Bride. As well as many other influences.

Therefore, to me, it falls under what I call "dark metal"
I always figured that was doom/death, not unlike prog/power - it's somewhere between the two genres.
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Dark metal to me covers a wide spectrum of bands that are not full on death metal or doom metal.

Novembers Doom is a primary example.
Aeonic mentioned many others, like MDB, Saturnus, Swallow The Sun, etc.
I would include Draconian as well, and even early Katatonia.

I know I have referred to MDB as dark metal before and many here vehemently disagreed saying they are the epitome of doom metal.

There is as much Celtic Frost as their is Black Sabbath in My Dying Bride. As well as many other influences.

Therefore, to me, it falls under what I call "dark metal"
Not trying to take that away from you - whatever floats your boat or whatever - but I don't get it. I was listening to Manilla Road over the weekend funny enough and I heard nothing but mid tempo Maiden-ish gallops, "happy" lead guitars. If that's doom to you, then so should any NWOBHM-ish band also be doom. There wasn't anything down tempo or sad/depressive/mournful to be heard, which as far as I've always assumed, was the defining element in doom metal. If you ask me, you calling all those bands "dark metal" is just a cop out to being afraid of admitting you dislike an entire spectrum of actual doom bands and having your "INTERNET DOOM KING" card revoked (in your own mind anyway). :P
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 04:39 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Ha, in no way am I the doom king!
Even within doom, there are only about 25 bands I REALLY like and listen to on a regular basis.

Maybe we are mismatching conversations. I never referred to Manilla Road as doom.
Actually, quite the contrary! I was stating that Gates of Slumber had more going on than JUST doom (IE - their obvious Sabbath and Vitus influences) but also incorporated bands like Rainbow, Purple, and the Road (Who obviously are not doom).

Anyhow, glad you checked out some Road! What of theirs did you check out by the way?
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I always figured that was doom/death, not unlike prog/power - it's somewhere between the two genres.
It is, but Jason HATES that term. I don't really know why. There was a long fight about this very subject a couple years ago between him and I about MDB.
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What term, death doom? I wouldn't say I hate it.
I mean I would rather someone refer to MDB as death / doom, as opposed to straight doom, which some folks here did.

That's all.
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I always figured that was doom/death, not unlike prog/power - it's somewhere between the two genres.
Yeah any time anyone brings up "Gothic" from Paradise Lost it's always described as doom/death. It's death metal and doom, don't see what's so complicated about it to some people hahaha.
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Well, gothic and avante garde is indeed a whole other can of worms!! ha!
Yeah, blame it on Tom G Warrior when he started wearing guyliner!!!!!!!!!!
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No it doesn't. Killer stuff.
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