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[Conspicuously Absent]

Originally Posted by KILL TULLY

Wow talk about putting words in someones mouth. When did I say anything remotely close to this?

"
Stop eating 15 steaks a month and instead buy one healthier one for the same price and starve the rest of the time."

[Conspicuously Absent]

Originally Posted by KILL TULLY

Where in the world are you getting your facts of the GenMod industry? This whole quote sounds like an opinionated rant to me, more akin to an argument against religion then an established science.

grist.org
news.bbc.co.uk

And various links from these places.

Newspapers: Berliner Morgenpost, Tagesspiegel
Magazines: National Geographic, Das Spiegel

The problem is a LACK of facts. It simply hasn't been tested enough for something we're going to release into the wild that COULD have disastrous effects. Or it might not. But its the same arguement against building lots of nuclear power plants. They might go kaboom. They might not. They might be used by some countries to produce nuclear weapons. They might not.

edit: To some extent, it is an opinionated rant. I don't generally collect links for the purpose of arguing, if I did I'd start a blog or some shit. The "opinionated rant" stems from things I read, not from thin air or editorials.

[swizzlenuts]

Originally Posted by En Vind Av Sorg

I hate to do it but I'll cite a wiki link while I continue searching.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic..._controversies

Originally Posted by En Vind Av Sorg

BTW I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, I think it's an interesting topic and one that I don't have a clear cut position on myself yet.

Some good tidbits here:
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10977&page=R9

I think we are on the same page here, these article pretty much say what I was thinking. The stages of GM foods as of right now isn't 100% perfect, but completely banning is absurd. I still think the foods will be tested rigorously before they hit the market. These articles appear that they are.

btw Wikipedia was shown to have the same amount of truthful information compared to the Brittanica series, so Wikipedia is a good start.

This topic is soo interesting, I've been waiting for a good time to start debating it.

Originally Posted by Conspicuously Absent

1. Cause pumping your yard full of toxic chemicals is going to be good for you and the crap living in it right? But at least your lawn looks nice? Same shit for organic produce. And I would hardly call it an inferior product. There are plenty of natural ways to control pests.

2.Thats called forced evolution. We took a big cow and a big cow and made a bigger cow. It was still cows fucking cows. Now we're building our own cow and hoping we don't fuck something up.

2a.I tried to think of a different example and this is the best I could get. You have a car. You tune your car in fairly obvious ways to make it work better. Then you decide to build your own engine, cause you know how internal combustion works. Your test it by the following:
1. does it turn on. yes
2. does it move the vehicle. yes

So it works, you declare it safe. It works great, better than you could have hoped. Then one day you drive it on a warm day. Suddenly your nice engine overheats and goes up like a nuclear device.

Ooops... too late now.

3. Swizzle in a field is healthier than swizzle in a little box covered in shit but pumped full of chemicals to keep him from dieing. Cow in a little box standing in its own shit and the shit of 50 other cows is probably not as healthy as cow in a field standing in grass.

Specific information is not something I collect to point to you, I'll take a look at some point when i feel it might actually make a difference. But I've generally noticed people "get it" or go "but it costs me 2 bucks more, fuck that".

1. On the wikipedia article, which has it's sources sited, in peer reviewed journals that organic farms are less inefficient, and use more fuels to cultivate it. Also to control pests, both the inorganic and organic pesticides can cause problems. Working on GM foods that wouldn't need that is what is trying to be done.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_foods

2a. That's a terrible analogy to how science works; if it were science, they'd test the car loads of times in various conditions, with robots, with humans etc, but the distinction is that in foods or health, it's so regulated that it has to go through loads and loads of tests to even come on the market. It also has to continue to be tested while it's introduced as well; however, there could possibly something we didn't notice in the initial tests, but why the fuck stop all this testing for something that could help us tremendously?

3. The whole point is that they might taste better from being free, but the amino acids and all the nutrients in meat would be exactly the same. Also it's pretty well regulated, at least in the States, to keep everything clean and to prevent the spread of disease. I don't mean to say we are doing it the best, but I think we can improve what we are doing now. Also where has it been shown they are sitting in shit and being pumped with chemicals?

I guess I don't 'get it' because I don't see how having organic foods is actually better when most studies atm show that they are the same, chemically, or they are actually hurting the environment because of the more fossil fuels used.

The whole cows in the field and better wellness for the cows is an ethical argument about how to treat animals, and not how open field cows are better.

[KILL TULLY]

Originally Posted by swizzlenuts

I think we are on the same page here, these article pretty much say what I was thinking. The stages of GM foods as of right now isn't 100% perfect, but completely banning is absurd. I still think the foods will be tested rigorously before they hit the market. These articles appear that they are.

btw Wikipedia was shown to have the same amount of truthful information compared to the Brittanica series, so Wikipedia is a good start.

This topic is soo interesting, I've been waiting for a good time to start debating it.



1. On the wikipedia article, which has it's sources sited, in peer reviewed journals that organic farms are less inefficient, and use more fuels to cultivate it. Also to control pests, both the inorganic and organic pesticides can cause problems. Working on GM foods that wouldn't need that is what is trying to be done.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_foods

2a. That's a terrible analogy to how science works; if it were science, they'd test the car loads of times in various conditions, with robots, with humans etc, but the distinction is that in foods or health, it's so regulated that it has to go through loads and loads of tests to even come on the market. It also has to continue to be tested while it's introduced as well; however, there could possibly something we didn't notice in the initial tests, but why the fuck stop all this testing for something that could help us tremendously?

3. The whole point is that they might taste better from being free, but the amino acids and all the nutrients in meat would be exactly the same. Also it's pretty well regulated, at least in the States, to keep everything clean and to prevent the spread of disease. I don't mean to say we are doing it the best, but I think we can improve what we are doing now. Also where has it been shown they are sitting in shit and being pumped with chemicals?

I guess I don't 'get it' because I don't see how having organic foods is actually better when most studies atm show that they are the same, chemically, or they are actually hurting the environment because of the more fossil fuels used.

The whole cows in the field and better wellness for the cows is an ethical argument about how to treat animals, and not how open field cows are better.

Thank you for making me not have to type.

AKA: "What swizzle said!"

[Reign in Acai]

So somehow I got talked in to taking a 200+ lb broad hiking.

In other news...

A server at a restaurant I go to after work sent me a nude pic of her GenModded tatas. Unfortunately she's a mother of 6.

I should give her a 7th.

[Conspicuously Absent]

The stages of GM foods as of right now isn't 100% perfect, but completely banning is absurd. I still think the foods will be tested rigorously before they hit the market. These articles appear that they are.

They already approved it. Unfortunately I can't find a less biased source at the moment. Google is letting me down and I'm about to head home. Take it with a grain of salt.

http://www.organicconsumers.org/arti...ticle_9699.cfm
http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2...and/index.html

[KILL TULLY]

Can you supply a link with scientific concerns over what may be problematic?
Everything I have read against GenMod sounds mostly like 'what if!' with no hypothesis.

IE: If we enhance/mod 'X' then 'Y' is likely/may happen because of 'Z'.

Genuine request, not a slight.

[swizzlenuts]

Hmm... seems like a load of misunderstandings of how the FDA and science works.


It's like: Test one shows diet soda is good. Test two shows diet soda is bad! Oh my god science deceived us! /arrogantresponse

[Conspicuously Absent]

Originally Posted by KILL TULLY

Can you supply a link with scientific concerns over what may be problematic?
Everything I have read against GenMod sounds mostly like 'what if!' with no hypothesis.

IE: If we enhance/mod 'X' then 'Y' is likely/may happen because of 'Z'.

Genuine request, not a slight.

I don't have time to dig one out. But thats kind of the problem, they're trying to rush it through (for all the positive reasons you guys have mentioned) without giving it a proper test.

Anyway, I'm ot truly against it, I just think it needs a lot more testing first.

[Hell Mike]

It's not either or, that's the good part. Do some genetically modified shit, have some organic, and have lots of mixes and half/halfs and everyone is happy and fed.

[Carabeu]

Originally Posted by Reign in Acai

So somehow I got talked in to taking a 200+ lb broad hiking.

details

[Reign in Acai]

Originally Posted by ct_thrash

details

What details? That's it. I'm going to fucking make this broad do the 12 mile trail so she doesn't goad me in to a second session.

[Climb Thar Hill]

Fuck her, Jerry...after the hike...fuck her fat sweaty out of breath ass, YOU BEAST

[Carabeu]

Jerry, please take pics of your hike. And the sex.

[Claws of Perdition]

Originally Posted by Climb Thar Hill

Fuck her, Jerry...after the hike...fuck her fat sweaty out of breath ass, YOU BEAST

make her chant "FRANK FRANK FRANK"

[Reign in Acai]

I'm in a vile fucking mood at the moment. Carrying this broad up a steep is only a grain in a basket full of bullshit that is pissing me towards the brink of fucking INSANITY!!!

[Climb Thar Hill]

Originally Posted by Reign in Acai

I'm in a vile fucking mood at the moment. Carrying this broad up a steep is only a grain in a basket full of bullshit that is pissing me towards the brink of fucking INSANITY!!!

sucks, broheim...but you know...the best relief from all that is to do this

Originally Posted by Climb Thar Hill

Fuck her, Jerry...after the hike...fuck her fat sweaty out of breath ass, YOU BEAST

[Reign in Acai]

No Thanks, this bint has a fupa bigger than my head. My faggot supervisor assisted in trapping me in this God damn corner.


I want to fucking hang a negar by his toes and pummel him with coconuts, Jimmy Superfly style. BLARGH!!! Can this life just fucking end already!?!? I apologize for the angst, but I really just want it to fucking end swiftly and graciously.

[Climb Thar Hill]

dude so how the hell did you get roped into taking this beastly woman on a hike?

[Reign in Acai]

My faggot fat fucking Pope John Paul the II doppleganger of a Supervisor kept on egging me on to go with the bint tmrw on her day off. I was trying to be nice and say "yea sure, perhaps sometime in the expanse of time". But this God damn former meth-addict who has OCD cubed loves to stir up the shit. I was painted in a corner which would leave me feeling like an ass, so I said "fuck it". Now I got 10 other things piling up on me because I'm a procrastinating piece of shite. I seriously hate that God damn job. I should quit and become a panhandler, I'd probably be two pence the richer. Anywho, I'm simply going to call that broad and tell her this event needs to be postponed "indefinitely". Though, I'll sugar coat it as only I can.


As for that other fuck, I need to put and end to his palpacy!

[Carabeu]

Good luck Jerry

Well I got a call from a recruiter at Wells Fargo regarding the application I recently put in for a corporate job in Irving. She was in California though and didn't seem to have answers to some of my questions. She's supposed to give me a call back tomorrow with some answers, namely about pay and how often they need overtime. Non overtime hours are 7:00am - 3:30pm, Sun-Fri with Wed & Sat off. I could live with that.

[Krigloch the Furious]

Jerry rules

[Reign in Acai]

:wipes sweat from brow:

Most of my issues have been rectified.

[Krilons Resa]

Originally Posted by Reign in Acai

:wipes sweat from brow:

Most of my issues have been rectified.

Please don't tell me she's gonna equip a strap-on out there in the woods.

[Reign in Acai]

Nah nigtucket, I'm calling that bint (she has a really beautiful face btw, despite 5 o'clock shadow) when I get to work and telling her that I can't make it because I'm fully booked with cockteasing milfs with muffin tops.