Fuck The End Records (rant inside) - Page 3

Dead_Lioness · March 5th, 2006, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MadeInNewJersey

depends, I never order from Century Media, Metal Blade or Nuclear Blast either; they all suck

I like the small underground labels/distros - those guys work hard to get your business and it shows

oh, totally, thats what I meant when I said "directly from the lable"
I wasn't even reffering to NB or CM...
I agree with you.
I love small lables.

JayKeeley · March 5th, 2006, 04:50 PM

A lot of people buy the CD, rip it to MP3, and put the CD back on the shelf forever and a day. So why not just download it and send $5 to the artist direct?

I think artists should start "donation" acceptance via their website, knowing full well people are downloading now anyway.

Or perhaps we're on the verge of buying all music online anyway, and one day artists will sell direct without the need for iTunes or Napster etc.

If "underground" labels aren't sponsoring tours etc, their days could be numbered. Just look at how quickly myspace has taken off with regards to band publicity etc.

The times they are a changin'.

Erik · March 5th, 2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JayKeeley

A lot of people buy the CD, rip it to MP3, and put the CD back on the shelf forever and a day.

i do exactly that!

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Originally Posted by JayKeeley

So why not just download it and send $5 to the artist direct?

because i have no interest in supporting artists, only labels

labels are legitimate businesses, artists are artists. businesses do business, artists make art.

JayKeeley · March 5th, 2006, 04:54 PM

Labels are the middle man. I'm suggesting the middle man be cut out of the equation. The artist will continue to make music either way.

MadeInNewJersey · March 5th, 2006, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayKeeley

A lot of people buy the CD, rip it to MP3, and put the CD back on the shelf forever and a day. So why not just download it and send $5 to the artist direct?

I think artists should start "donation" acceptance via their website, knowing full well people are downloading now anyway.

Or perhaps we're on the verge of buying all music online anyway, and one day artists will sell direct without the need for iTunes or Napster etc.

If "underground" labels aren't sponsoring tours etc, their days could be numbered. Just look at how quickly myspace has taken off with regards to band publicity etc.

The times they are a changin'.

That idea sounds great in theory, but awful in practicality. If no one buys albums from labels or distros, then bands don't get signed, and you have a shitton of disorganized, half-ass attempts at getting music out for people to hear & buy.

I know, I know, why buy something from Best Buy for $14 when you could buy it at The End for $13. Because when you buy those types of shits from large corporations like Best Buy, everyone benefits in the long run: they realize there is a market for this type of music, and distribution and availability of previously difficult-to-find music becomes less so.

Wouldn't it be awesome to be able to buy the latest Gojira CD at Best Buy?

Erik · March 5th, 2006, 04:58 PM

oh will he now? i really hate all this fucking not-so-well-thought-out anti label sentiment that's becoming trendy lately.

i as an artist do NOT WANT DO HAVE TO DEAL WITH:

1) PRESSING CD'S
2) DISTRIBUTING CD'S
3) MARKETING CD'S
4) BUYING BUBBLE WRAP
5) BUYING STAMPS
6) BUYING ENVELOPES
7) PUTTING 1000'S OF CD'S IN JEWEL CASES AND INSERTING THE STUPID LITTLE FUCKING TRAY INLAY
8) SENDING MONEY
9) RECEIVING MONEY
10) EXCHANGING MONEY TO A CURRENCY I CAN USE
11) BEING DENIED THE EXCHANGE BECAUSE THE BILLS WERE RIPPED AND DIRTY OR INVALID
12) HAVING TO PAY SHITTY TAXES BECAUSE I'M RUNNING MY BAND AS A BUSINESS
13) DEALING WITH WHINING "CUSTOMERS" THAT DIDN'T RECEIVE THEIR SHIT
14) BOOKING SHOWS AND TOURS
15) do you want me to go on?

artists write music. labels release it. labels are not evil, they fulfill a VERY REAL and VERY IMPORTANT PURPOSE, and should get PAID for it. the ARTIST does in 99% of the cases not want to deal with shitty, boring logistics and technicalities, the artist wants to make art.

MadeInNewJersey · March 5th, 2006, 04:59 PM

I'm assuming that lengthy response was to JayK, and not me. I think the planets have aligned and you & I actually are agreeing about something.

JayKeeley · March 5th, 2006, 05:01 PM

Who's talking about pressing CDs and sending bubble wrap envelopes etc?

I'm talking about buying music on-line for the same reason people just rip their CDs anyway.

Wow, people are quite highly strung around these parts aren't they?

Erik · March 5th, 2006, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayKeeley

Who's talking about pressing CDs and sending bubble wrap envelopes etc?

I'm talking about buying music on-line for the same reason people just rip their CDs anyway.

Wow, people are quite highly strung around these parts aren't they?

no, you're saying cut out the middleman, give money to the artist directly, noone needs a label, BLAH BLAH.

what do you think will be the consequences if everyone would do that (download an album, send $5 to the artist)? every label, the labels that WORKED FUCKING HARD to bring the albums to you (and subsequently, you basically tell them that they're doing nothing important and that only the artist deserves money -- yeah great fucking work, i'm sure the artist getting a fiver to buy beer helps a whole fucking boatload with the LABEL recouping the STUDIO COSTS and other shit they invested into the release), would go out of business, and soon enough every artist would have to become a fucking businessman! hoo-fucking-ray! i hate this new fucking mp3 centered shit world.

BUY YOUR ALBUMS - SUPPORT GOOD LABELS - SHUT UP!

MadeInNewJersey · March 5th, 2006, 05:05 PM

Don't yell at JayK, you cunt! Though that was a funny rant, but really, Ali buys plenty of music. He's just misguided in this debate

Erik · March 5th, 2006, 05:07 PM

i dont think ali's actually getting upset at me using capital letters against him! ali's a jolly nice bloke but this whole "YEAH MAN WE ARE FACING A PARADIGM SHIFT IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IN THIS WHOLE NEW INFORMATION AGE OF WEB 2.0" mentality is wearing really fucking thin.

March 5th, 2006, 04:50 PM	#52 (permalink)
JayKeeley Be still, O wand'rer! Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 26,137	A lot of people buy the CD, rip it to MP3, and put the CD back on the shelf forever and a day. So why not just download it and send $5 to the artist direct? I think artists should start "donation" acceptance via their website, knowing full well people are downloading now anyway. Or perhaps we're on the verge of buying all music online anyway, and one day artists will sell direct without the need for iTunes or Napster etc. If "underground" labels aren't sponsoring tours etc, their days could be numbered. Just look at how quickly myspace has taken off with regards to band publicity etc. The times they are a changin'.

March 5th, 2006, 04:54 PM	#54 (permalink)
JayKeeley Be still, O wand'rer! Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 26,137	Labels are the middle man. I'm suggesting the middle man be cut out of the equation. The artist will continue to make music either way.

March 5th, 2006, 04:58 PM	#56 (permalink)
Erik Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: southernmost voyage Posts: 16,456	oh will he now? i really hate all this fucking not-so-well-thought-out anti label sentiment that's becoming trendy lately. i as an artist do NOT WANT DO HAVE TO DEAL WITH: 1) PRESSING CD'S 2) DISTRIBUTING CD'S 3) MARKETING CD'S 4) BUYING BUBBLE WRAP 5) BUYING STAMPS 6) BUYING ENVELOPES 7) PUTTING 1000'S OF CD'S IN JEWEL CASES AND INSERTING THE STUPID LITTLE FUCKING TRAY INLAY 8) SENDING MONEY 9) RECEIVING MONEY 10) EXCHANGING MONEY TO A CURRENCY I CAN USE 11) BEING DENIED THE EXCHANGE BECAUSE THE BILLS WERE RIPPED AND DIRTY OR INVALID 12) HAVING TO PAY SHITTY TAXES BECAUSE I'M RUNNING MY BAND AS A BUSINESS 13) DEALING WITH WHINING "CUSTOMERS" THAT DIDN'T RECEIVE THEIR SHIT 14) BOOKING SHOWS AND TOURS 15) do you want me to go on? artists write music. labels release it. labels are not evil, they fulfill a VERY REAL and VERY IMPORTANT PURPOSE, and should get PAID for it. the ARTIST does in 99% of the cases not want to deal with shitty, boring logistics and technicalities, the artist wants to make art.

March 5th, 2006, 05:01 PM	#58 (permalink)
JayKeeley Be still, O wand'rer! Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 26,137	Who's talking about pressing CDs and sending bubble wrap envelopes etc? I'm talking about buying music on-line for the same reason people just rip their CDs anyway. Wow, people are quite highly strung around these parts aren't they?

March 5th, 2006, 05:07 PM	#61 (permalink)
Erik Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: southernmost voyage Posts: 16,456	i dont think ali's actually getting upset at me using capital letters against him! ali's a jolly nice bloke but this whole "YEAH MAN WE ARE FACING A PARADIGM SHIFT IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IN THIS WHOLE NEW INFORMATION AGE OF WEB 2.0" mentality is wearing really fucking thin.