Fuck The End Records (rant inside)

[JayKeeley]

Originally Posted by unhinged

I'm not totally anti label by the way, and I do think they should be supported
the largest cut generally goes to the distributor
if the label is a big one then they are most probably the distributor too
......

oh and also, special packaging etc, any extra cost is absorbed by the artist

picture disks are seen as promotional items
the artist generally reieves nothing from these (not talking small indie here)

the list goes on

I buy CDs because I like the packaging, lyrics, artwork etc. I make an effort to take my CDs off the shelf and play them (even though I have an MP3 player).

However, there are times when I don't want to buy the CD, and perhaps just keep a few random songs or the album on MP3 format simply because it's not a "must have".

Put it down to having a fucken conscience or something, but I wouldn't mind rewarding the artist by compensating them somewhat (without the need for buying the CD).

That's how iTunes works now anyway. People buying random songs. I don't see why this is going to be restricted to the mainstream. It's just another channel to get your music legally without walking into a high street store or buying from a distro.

Meanwhile, people are downloading illegally anyway and never buying anything so everyone loses out. I'm suggesting a compromise knowing perfectly well people aren't going to buy CDs anymore.

[Erik]

Originally Posted by JayKeeley

I buy CDs because I like the packaging, lyrics, artwork etc. I make an effort to take my CDs off the shelf and play them (even though I have an MP3 player).

However, there are times when I don't want to buy the CD, and perhaps just keep a few random songs or the album on MP3 format simply because it's not a "must have".

Put it down to having a fucken conscience or something, but I wouldn't mind rewarding the artist by compensating them somewhat (without the need for buying the CD).

That's how iTunes works now anyway. People buying random songs. I don't see why this is going to be restricted to the mainstream. It's just another channel to get your music legally without walking into a high street store or buying from a distro.

Meanwhile, people are downloading illegally anyway and never buying anything so everyone loses out. I'm suggesting a compromise knowing perfectly well people aren't going to buy CDs anymore.

you know you can apply this to anything that's self released and i wouldn't care but when you start downloading cd's that a label put money into releasing without compensating them for it, that's where you go wrong

it's really very very simple and i doubt you would say to the face of, for example, the vendlus dude that comes here that "hey fuck you, i'm going to download this wolves in the throne room album and send them $5 because your work isn't worth shit!"

'cause that's what you're advocating

[JayKeeley]

Originally Posted by Erik

why don't you respond to what i wrote to you instead of what i wrote to paul

I did through his post, and anyway, you've got your PMS strop of the month on anyway.

it does if you learn not to deal with idiots?

Jesus h christ man, people get ripped off all the time. It's gonna happen, and in all walks of life (from corporate accounting through to taxi drivers taking the long route).

You're not offering ANY protection to the artist whatsoever -- in fact, you're promoting the idea that the artist not get paid fairly.

ok yeah sure maybe that's implausible in capitalist america but you know in sweden, we have a judicial system that actually serves justice and not the pockets of lawyers, sorry

Yes because all artists live in sunny Sweden.

[MadeInNewJersey]

Originally Posted by JayKeeley

Meanwhile, people are downloading illegally anyway and never buying anything so everyone loses out. I'm suggesting a compromise knowing perfectly well people aren't going to buy CDs anymore.

Only assholes like Dickschwitz, who D/L and don't buy ANYTHING.

There have been several studies that reflect people who D/L actually buy MORE, since they're able to better find & choose what they want to own, as opposed to being completely turned off by the whole process (i.e. from having bought too many "1-song albums" in the past, etc.).

Back to your flamewar.

[Doomcifer]

TER only messed up ONCE out of like 40 something orders and fixed it right away for me.

[Erik]

I did through his post

no, i made some pretty different points in the post directed to you

and anyway, you've got your PMS strop of the month on anyway.

i'm making very valid points and am making more sense than you. remove all the "fuck"'s from my post if that makes you take me more seriously. it's not like i resorted to ad hominem attacks like you anyway, so right back at you, have a tampax

in fact, you're promoting the idea that the artist not get paid fairly.

not at all! well that i might hold some views of the sort is outside the scope of this discussion because i never said anything of the sort just now. i'm saying if the artist wants to deal with a label, then that is his choice and the work the label does for him needs to be supported! to bypass that and send money to only the artist is QUITE unfair to the label. that's it! and yeah, if you get ripped off, visit CORPORATE H.Q. with a knife or something. your original argument didn't include anything about only sending money to artists getting RIPPED OFF by the label -- this is a whole other fucking discussion.

as i understand it, you're saying that if an artist receives $0.70 a cd then he's getting ripped off -- which could or could not be true. if it's in the contract, he's not getting ripped off. period.

Yes because all artists live in sunny Sweden.

well that's a problem with america then, not with the concept of a label.

[JayKeeley]

Originally Posted by Erik

it's really very very simple and i doubt you would say to the face of, for example, the vendlus dude that comes here that "hey fuck you, i'm going to download this wolves in the throne room album and send them $5 because your work isn't worth shit!"

'cause that's what you're advocating

Erik, do you REALLY think that to be true? I swear, if you're trolling me here I'm going to rip your fucking head off.

There's not much I can do, but I did what I could for getting unhinged linked up with Joseph. OF COURSE I WANT TO GET SCALD SIGNED.

But look, some cunts out there are going to download the Wolves album instead of buying the CD. So the label AND artist loses out, right?

So for those people not willing to buy the CD, how about offering the possibility to "DONATE" some money towards the artist instead? Sure, they might not and steal it anyway, but hey, at least it's an option, and of course it'll be a lot cheaper than buying physical medium (in any capacity).

The label is going to have a job trying to survive, and the artist will continue writing music. The difference now is in deciding how to get that music out to the general public.

[Erik]

So for those people not willing to buy the CD, how about offering the possibility to "DONATE" some money towards the artist instead?

why can't they "DONATE" to the label?

[Nate The Great]

You guys bicker a lot, so I might be replying with something that's already been said.

I agree with JayKeeley, but I think that there will always be either record labels or something like it. I don't think people want to go searching all over the internet to find an album they want to download. Plus, it will help bands to have a centralized location that can "advertise" or recommend their album in one way or another. Basically like Itunes . . . I guess.

I think labels should offer the download of an album for like $5. As long as all artwork and that nonesense comes with it. I'm not ready to give up CDs yet, but I can see it coming.

[Erik]

imo - and offtopic - anyone that pays for downloads is a complete fucking yahoo