KILLSWITCH ENGAGE

[K Odell]

Originally Posted by broken81

Hopefully Andy can let us know about the guitars. I love there tone and use as a reference all the time.

Ditto. I actually love The AOJB tone better than their other records just because of how "mean" it sounds. Its just so big and well yeah mean.

[FuryofRequia]

what is this rumor i hear about Killswitch Engage possibly working on a new album?

[obscura1560]

Originally Posted by FuryofRequia

what is this rumor i hear about Killswitch Engage possibly working on a new album?

Yup, saw in an interview that they are working on some demo stuff right now

[FuryofRequia]

badass! got the link or where i can find said interview?

[obscura1560]

Er yeah give me one second...

http://www.chronixradio.com/modules....rticle&sid=441


The interviewer is annoying, the boys think so too from the look on their faces.

[aramism]

hopefully adam d leaves the mixing to andy this time. i was not a fan of the last record. neither songwise or soundwise. i mean there were a few good songs but the album doesn't hold a candle to EOH or especially to AOJB. AOJB is a straight up masterpiece.

[creel]

I can't agree with you. I think As Daylight Dies is a masterpiece, both songwise and soundwise! The production is sick, it's so great.
End Of Heartache sounds boring compared to ADD, but EOH has more songs that are good. But I still prefer the latest record, ADD, cause it sounds much better and Howard sings better.

For the "The End Of Heartache" record, they used Framus Dragon and Peavey 5150, except for the song "Rose of Sharyn" - they used Cobra instead of Dragon.
Source for this? Magazines/interviews. You can see it on Wikipedia too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Dutkiewicz

Is there any reliable info about what they used on "As Daylight Dies"?
I don't know if they used 5150 or Soldano, but I can guarantee one thing, Framus Cobra was used! I'm 100% sure. But if they used more than that amp, I don't know.

[JoshSylosis]

heard ADD was Soldano

[creel]

Originally Posted by JoshSylosis

heard ADD was Soldano

MAYBE combined with the Cobra... but, where have you heard that?

[Aaron Smith]

I read in an interview with Adam D that there was only double-tracking on ADD, because they "really killed themselves" trying to get the (quad-tracked) tone on TEOH and wanted to have a much more relaxed/natural time tracking ADD. I read in the same interview that the main amp sound used was a modded Soldano SLO previously owned by George Lynch from Dokken, that Joel bought on eBay. Other than that, they also used (to some degree) a 5150 and a Triple Rec for heavy tones, and a Fender Twin for the cleans.

[K Odell]

I know a guy at H-C forums said Joel used his powerball on 1 track but geez that could be for anything really.

[LSD-Studio]

Originally Posted by Bloodjinn

I know a guy at H-C forums said Joel used his powerball on 1 track

don't think so, the CD doesn't sound shite enough

but you're right, perhaps on some melody or so

[creel]

Originally Posted by Aaron Smith

I read in an interview with Adam D that there was only double-tracking on ADD, because they "really killed themselves" trying to get the (quad-tracked) tone on TEOH and wanted to have a much more relaxed/natural time tracking ADD. I read in the same interview that the main amp sound used was a modded Soldano SLO previously owned by George Lynch from Dokken, that Joel bought on eBay. Other than that, they also used (to some degree) a 5150 and a Triple Rec for heavy tones, and a Fender Twin for the cleans.

What interview? Do you have it somewhere? I would really to see it!

Maybe they had a modded Soldano SLO? But imo, the ADD really sounds like Framus Cobra, and the Framus Cobra sounds ADD.
Even the clean sounds on ADD sounds like the Cobra.

Framus Cobra is a modified Soldano SLO...

[creel]

You're right dudes. Found a interview with Adam where he says this:
"For amplifiers we used some Mesa/Boogie Triple [Rectifiers] and the Soldano SLO head. For cabinets we always used Mesa/Boogie straights with Vintage 30’s in them. And for guitar tone, you can’t go wrong with the idiot setup – the [Shure SM] 57 through a decent mic-preamp."
http://www.guitarmessenger.com/sites...2-AdamD/1.html

No 5150, no Framus, just Soldano and MESA.

I think the Cobra is a good "copy" of that sound.

[Brett - K A L I S I A]

Originally Posted by creel

I think the Cobra is a good "copy" of that sound.

I would remove the "good" from your sentence

[creel]

Originally Posted by Brett - K A L I S I A

I would remove the "good" from your sentence

What do you mean?
Well, I didn't mean that the Cobra sounds as good as them, no no. BUT I think it's a good amp if you want the ADD sound and want to go a cheaper way.

Do you think the Cobra sounds bad?

[xFkx]

I thought that the 5150 was a Soldano copy

I don't think the cobra is a copy of anything

[creel]

Originally Posted by xFkx

I thought that the 5150 was a Soldano copy

I don't think the cobra is a copy of anything

I've talked with a amptech, and I told him that my Cobra sounded like MESA Recto / Soldano SLO (not really but something like them), and he said that that's not strange at all. Because Framus Cobra is strong based on the Soldano SLO with a few modifications, but different tubes (el34 instead of 6l6gc).
The dist is identical in Cobra, SLO and Rectifier. (not how it actually sounds but how it's made) If you have much knowledge about how amps are made, you can just look at the circuit schemes. So you call these three amps as a "group" or "family".
The 5150 reminds of these three very much in the beginning, but later in the circuit it's really different. Peavey has copied some of the circuit but not the whole.

I have never tried a SLO but this tech guy says that an original SLO is not as good as the Cobra for metal. Because the SLO hasn't any bass cut/rolloff before the preamp. Cobra hasn't so much either, but it's better at that point.
The more bass you cut before the dist, the tighter it sounds. ENGL is extreme at this point (too tight in my opinion).
That's why so many modify their SLO:s to get better metal sound.

(by the way, ENGL is completely different to these amps, completely other circuit)

[aramism]

looking back on this... this is the most confusing thead. so many "i think" "i thought" "wait, i thought" "wait, but" "wait, so"



basically the only thing that is for certain is that the 5150 was on EOH. as for the second amp, it's up in the air. and no one still knows if andy reamped it.

[creel]

Originally Posted by aramism

looking back on this... this is the most confusing thead. so many "i think" "i thought" "wait, i thought" "wait, but" "wait, so"



basically the only thing that is for certain is that the 5150 was on EOH. as for the second amp, it's up in the air. and no one still knows if andy reamped it.

EoH was Peavey 5150 and Framus Dragon.

ADD was MESA Boogie Triple Rectifier and Soldano SLO.

I don't "think" that, that is info from the Adam and the other guys.

[K Odell]

The guy on Harmony Central's name was "guitarman" something. He took lessons from Joel and has bought guitars and amps from Joel. He said the powerball made it on one track for sure. As to what it was used for like I said earlier who knows, but I would imagine he is telling the considering how he is friends with Joel and has owned a lot of Joel's equipment. Other than that yeah it was all Triple Rec and Soldano which rules.

[aramism]

once again. nothing but confusion. joel said this adam said this blah blah


bototm line is the only guy that knows is andy. all we know officially is that the soldano didn't make the final cut. if we were to go on assumptions based on all the threads so far there should also be the possibility of a jcm 800 900 2000 3000 4000 dsl tsl jpm ada mp1 5150 6505 twin reverb lone star death star powerball fireball dodgeball single rec dual rec triple rec krankenstein revoltion every amp ever made basically is a candidate for being on the killswitch record... according to joel and adam of course

[K Odell]

hmmmmmm I would figure they would know what was on their own record.....
*edit* totally didnt mean that in a dick head manner. meant among all thats been said surely some of this would be correct.

[aramism]

Originally Posted by Bloodjinn

hmmmmmm I would figure they would know what was on their own record.....
*edit* totally didnt mean that in a dick head manner. meant among all thats been said surely some of this would be correct.

yeah same here not trying to be a dick except i'm just saying often the artists confuse things. for all anyone knows they could have tracked guitars at zing and sent andy the stuff they recorded plus dry tracks and at the end it's in the hands of the mixer with consensus from the band of course.

[creel]

Originally Posted by aramism

once again. nothing but confusion. joel said this adam said this blah blah


bototm line is the only guy that knows is andy. all we know officially is that the soldano didn't make the final cut. if we were to go on assumptions based on all the threads so far there should also be the possibility of a jcm 800 900 2000 3000 4000 dsl tsl jpm ada mp1 5150 6505 twin reverb lone star death star powerball fireball dodgeball single rec dual rec triple rec krankenstein revoltion every amp ever made basically is a candidate for being on the killswitch record... according to joel and adam of course

Andy has nothing to do with ADD.

Adam was the producer and mix engineer (?) so I think he knows what he's talking about.

"For amplifiers we used some Mesa/Boogie Triple [Rectifiers] and the Soldano SLO head. "