LIVING SACRIFICE

[Brett - K A L I S I A]

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Conceived In Fire

[Where She Wept]

I didn't know andy did anything with Living Sacrifice. i used to listen to them when they were an extreme grindcore band, now one of the guitarists is in P.O.D. go figure...

[ThatGuitarGuy]

Yeah, good thing it was the BAD guitarist...Rocky Grey though was the man. He totally helped that band turn into the LS that I love the most! Check out "The Hammering Process" and of course "Conceived in Fire."

I will say...I wish the mix was better, but I'm sure the amps they were using weren't the best either...Still one of my favs of theirs.

[Where She Wept]

It's also funny how Rocky ended up drumming for Evenescience. I like the first album, it had a total slayer meets old sepultura vibe. Nonexist has the weirdest vocals ever, sounds like the singer is just moaning thru every song. I'll have to check out the last 2 albums though, my collection stopped after Reborn.

[Gnash]

Yeah, Living Sac are my boys! Reborn, Hammering Process, Conceived in Fire, are all MUST OWN albums! Good to see Rocky out in the mainstream. Also check out Rocky and Lance's other band "SOUL EMBRACED"!!!!!! The second track on the Soul Embraced album "My Blood" has one of the coolest "fade out" riffs I've ever heard!

[Where She Wept]

Originally Posted by Gnash

Yeah, Living Sac are my boys! Reborn, Hammering Process, Conceived in Fire, are all MUST OWN albums! Good to see Rocky out in the mainstream. Also check out Rocky and Lance's other band "SOUL EMBRACED"!!!!!! The second track on the Soul Embraced album "My Blood" has one of the coolest "fade out" riffs I've ever heard!

i've only heard 2 soul embraced songs, and they were heavy as hell. Lance is a killer drummer.

[Loren Littlejohn]

I fucking love this band. I recomend the record "In Memorium" (greatest hits) for anyone who is just getting into this band. What albums did andy do work on? If it was Concieved in Fire well then good, but Hammering Process was better.

[ThatGuitarGuy]

I agree...the hammering process not only had a better set of songs, but the songs weren't so muddy = X

Sorry andy...

I do think Lance Garvin totally stole the use of the China for parts that make you want to groove lol...I can't help but think of him when I hear a china in another bands song.

[DIOBOLIC5150]

Conceived in Fire is one of my favorite albums. I have nothing bad to say about this band... but yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the mix myself. Still rock that album now and then though.

[RemoWilliams]

Was just listening to "Conceived in Fire" today in the car, and I must say the room sound on the percussion is awesome. Its adds a different vide to the songs. Plus the aggression and emotion in Living Sacrifice songs is something all together. I really miss this band. But a good last album to go out on.

[Aaron Smith]

Originally Posted by RemoWilliams

I must say the room sound on the percussion is awesome. Its adds a different vibe to the songs

I've always thought the same thing. Those drums pounding in the background for the first 20 seconds or so of "Symbiotic" sound really powerful, like some Lord of the Rings army marching or something...awesome.

Originally Posted by GuitarGodgt

What albums did andy do work on? If it was Concieved in Fire well then good, but Hammering Process was better.

What in the world? I can hear that the overall master on "The Hammering Process" is slightly brighter, but the guitars, drums...everything sounds so much better on "Conceived In Fire". The drums on "The Hammering Process" aren't so great sounding, and especially the snare, seriously sounds like it was recorded in a bedroom, without any processing done to it whatsoever. Andy's mix on the latter album is tremedously better.

[Loren Littlejohn]

Originally Posted by Aaron Smith

I've always thought the same thing. Those drums pounding in the background for the first 20 seconds or so of "Symbiotic" sound really powerful, like some Lord of the Rings army marching or something...awesome.



What in the world? I can hear that the overall master on "The Hammering Process" is slightly brighter, but the guitars, drums...everything sounds so much better on "Conceived In Fire". The drums on "The Hammering Process" aren't so great sounding, and especially the snare, seriously sounds like it was recorded in a bedroom, without any processing done to it whatsoever. Andy's mix on the latter album is tremedously better.

No dude I am saying that not only is the sound of Hammering better, the songs are.

[ThatGuitarGuy]

I agree...the songs are better, but CIF is a better mix...I just wish it wasn't so muddy or he had reamped....I can hear the line6 and it makes me sad lol.

Imagine how insane it'd be if he mixed it now...

[Gnash]

Originally Posted by RemoWilliams

Was just listening to "Conceived in Fire" today in the car, and I must say the room sound on the percussion is awesome. Its adds a different vide to the songs. Plus the aggression and emotion in Living Sacrifice songs is something all together. I really miss this band. But a good last album to go out on.

Yeah, they have a percussion guy playing live, along with Lance. I don't know if Lance tracked all the extra toms or the second drummer, but yeah a lot of toms going on.

[Andy Sneap]

wouldnt be any different, all I had was POD tracks from what I remember. Y'know it always makes me laugh to read comments like these on here. What is becoming more and more noticable on this forum is some of you have no idea the kind of fixing and sorting out of poorly recorded sessions that professional mixers like myself and colin have to do. Living Sacrifice wasn't terrible, just wasn't great, especially gtrs. But I like the album, good band, shame they broke up.

[LSD-Studio]

Originally Posted by Andy Sneap

... What is becoming more and more noticable on this forum is some of you have no idea the kind of fixing and sorting out of poorly recorded sessions that professional mixers like myself and colin have to do. ....

sorry to disagree, but i think engineers like me that are not as sought after as Colin and you have way more jobs that are nothing but fixing things and "make shit fly" speaking for me it's about 60-80% of my job to fix poorly recorded rehearsalroom-demos etc. just because we're doing the bands that don't have any money/label, so they're trying to save at any possible corner, that means either recording themselves in their practice-room or booking too little studio-time etc.
just speaking for me (but i think it's similar with many others here that are just starting their business) fixing things is the main part of the job, and i know pretty well how unsatisfying it is to be blamed for a "not so perfect sound" even though it's not your fault and you deserve to be honored for making candy out of crap...
noone knows how it sounded before, so you're judged for the result...even though it might be a fucking miracle compared to the tracks we/you got.

sorry if i sound to bitchy or got you wrong or so, but i just felt weird to read stuff like

Originally Posted by Andy Sneap

... What is becoming more and more noticable on this forum is some of you have no idea the kind of fixing and sorting out of poorly recorded sessions that professional mixers like myself and colin have to do. ....

when that's 80% of your dayjob and you struggle with problems like that all the time just to make a living......
i think most of us here know pretty much what a bitch fixing poorly recorded stuff can be.....what i really don't know is how it is to record a band that's well prepared, has got enough money to book let's say 2 weeks for tracking and another 2 for mixing sweetening etc...

sorry for disagreeing, but perhaps i just misunderstood you

I haven't listened to that Living Sacrifice Cd, yet.....
might have to give it a try though..
btw, none did really criticize your work on it

[Brett - K A L I S I A]

"Some of you" didn't apply to everybody of course, but it's true that while some people here know what they're talking about, a big majority is still learning and here to learn (which is good) and never recorded or mixed anything else than a POD and Drumkit From Hell.

[Funky Animal]

Originally Posted by Andy Sneap

wouldnt be any different, all I had was POD tracks from what I remember. Y'know it always makes me laugh to read comments like these on here. What is becoming more and more noticable on this forum is some of you have no idea the kind of fixing and sorting out of poorly recorded sessions that professional mixers like myself and colin have to do. Living Sacrifice wasn't terrible, just wasn't great, especially gtrs. But I like the album, good band, shame they broke up.

Nevertheless, you did an amazing job on this album! You know I have this album in my posession since it was released but just like 4 months ago I discovered andy mixed it. I always thought it sounded awesome but I never check to whom actually mixed it!

[Loren Littlejohn]

Originally Posted by Andy Sneap

wouldnt be any different, all I had was POD tracks from what I remember. Y'know it always makes me laugh to read comments like these on here. What is becoming more and more noticable on this forum is some of you have no idea the kind of fixing and sorting out of poorly recorded sessions that professional mixers like myself and colin have to do. Living Sacrifice wasn't terrible, just wasn't great, especially gtrs. But I like the album, good band, shame they broke up.

I digress, I am a moron. If all you had were POD tracks then holly shit that record sounds amazing for what you had.

I admit I am not a know it all by any means, I was just going off of what I liked aurally.

[LSD-Studio]

Originally Posted by Brett - K A L I S I A

"Some of you" didn't apply to everybody of course, but it's true that while some people here know what they're talking about, a big majority is still learning and here to learn (which is good) and never recorded or mixed anything else than a POD and Drumkit From Hell.

k, you're right....
I should read and write a little bit more careful.
I'm just so pissed with the same thing, having to fix other peoples mistakes and getting the blame for it not sounding like slipknot

[Brett - K A L I S I A]

hehe, yeah, that's actually why Andy once explained here that he never criticizes other people's mix because you never know what they had to deal with.

[Loren Littlejohn]

Originally Posted by Brett - K A L I S I A

hehe, yeah, that's actually why Andy once explained here that he never criticizes other people's mix because you never know what they had to deal with.

Oh man good fucking point! I don't mind if your asking for it though in the rate my mix section.

[Gnash]

Something cool to check out. Living Sac have a DVD! It has some footage of Rocky tracking guitar WITH A POD! I had never looked at the notes for the albums, as I had no clue Andy had worked on these albums as well. I always thought, WOW, they did a great job down there in Arkansas! Now, Andy's comment puts it all into perspective.

[RemoWilliams]

Maybe I'm taking Andy saying it was tracked with guitars meaning that is POD tone on the "Conceived in Fire" album? or does he mean he re-amped later? Either way, if it is straight up POD tone, then man, I guess it goes to show with mad skill, and time, and patience, you can get massive tone with the basics.

[Andy Sneap]

no that is straight up line 6