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Brett - K A L I S I A · November 6th, 2006, 09:09 PM

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Deliverence / Lamentations (DVD)

Sinister Mephisto · November 15th, 2006, 08:42 PM

I noticed that when the left guitar plays solo for a few measures there is reverb for it in the right. Does anyone know if there is reverb on the distorted guitars the whole time? I think Andy said he doesn't normally do that. But maybe for such a tame band. :P

MX582 · November 15th, 2006, 09:43 PM

i think it only during the solo..its pretty common to add reverb to just the solo alone

Sweetnothing · November 16th, 2006, 12:58 AM

I don't think of deliverance as a "dry" record...so I'd say yes, a little reverb on guitars going on all of the time, but it can be just my ears.

Sinister Mephisto · November 16th, 2006, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MX582

i think it only during the solo..its pretty common to add reverb to just the solo alone

I don't mean a lead guitar it's a rhythm part. I'll find the track so everyone can listen tomorrow. Perhaps you mean that it's common to add reverb to a rhythm part under a solo?

NickL · March 3rd, 2007, 11:03 PM

Hey Andy if you read this, what kind of amps where used for the lead tones on Deliverance? They sound very fluid and just make me crap myself overall.

JeffTD · March 4th, 2007, 01:23 AM

IIRC, Andy said that Deliverance was all Laney.

NickL · March 4th, 2007, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DSS3

IIRC, Andy said that Deliverance was all Laney.

thankya I kinda figured. I assume Lamentations was as well?

JoshSylosis · March 4th, 2007, 07:56 AM

I think Lamenations was reamped with a JCM 800, not sure if that includes lead tones...
although i might be remembering that completely wrong

JoshSylosis · March 4th, 2007, 07:58 AM

Yeh I did remember that right, just read the total guitar piece with andy and he said it was a JCM 800 modded by Chandlers and the amp has an extra gain stage

NickL · March 4th, 2007, 03:14 PM

oh wow that's something i wasn't expecting

JeffTD · March 4th, 2007, 03:30 PM

Andy has something like 4 JCM800's, one modded, IIRC.

NickL · March 4th, 2007, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DSS3

Andy has something like 4 JCM800's, one modded, IIRC.

yeah i heard that, I've just never actually heard of him using them before

JeffTD · March 5th, 2007, 12:51 AM

You don't have Tempo of the Damned?

NickL · March 5th, 2007, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DSS3

You don't have Tempo of the Damned?

touche.

Fragle · March 5th, 2007, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DSS3

You don't have Tempo of the Damned?

didn't they use gary holt's infamous marshall, though?

JoshSylosis · March 5th, 2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Fragle

didn't they use gary holt's infamous marshall, though?

pretty sure they did yeh, remember reading that in terrorizer

Exocaster · April 17th, 2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by The Broodwich

Hey Andy if you read this, what kind of amps where used for the lead tones on Deliverance? They sound very fluid and just make me crap myself overall.

A big part of that is Mikael Akerfeldt's playing. I feel the need to comment on this as I was just listening to Ghost Reveries. He's a bad motherfucker indeed.

Speaking of GR, I think the drums on that record suffer greatly for lack of Mr. Sneap. The guitar and bass tones are great, but the drums are so thin and buried in the mix. Does anyone know if the drums on Deliverance are triggered at all? I've heard it's all acoustic save for the kicks during the heavy sections, but I don't know for sure.

I'd hate to be the poor bastard trying to trigger Martin Lopez's snare, that's for sure. Ghost notes up the ass.

Ermz · April 17th, 2007, 09:46 PM

Opeth also list a Triple Rectifier on the recording of Deliverance. Are we sure that it's a Laney on the rhythm guitars?

cobhc · April 18th, 2007, 08:16 AM

@Sinister Mephisto : Opeth tend to use a litle reverb on all their rhythm guitars

@DSS3 : As some others have mentioned, it was Gary Holt's Modded Marshall, not Andy's

@Exocaster : Andy has just told me that the kick was 100% triggered and snare was 50%

@Moonlapse : Andy just told me the rhythm guitars were Laney, but he's not sure what the Recto was used for.

Andy Sneap · April 18th, 2007, 08:34 AM

no rev on rhythms

Ermz · April 18th, 2007, 09:36 PM

Well it's good to get that sorted! I can't believe those rhythm guitars are Laney. I would've bet my bottom two that those were triple rect. I gotta sink my head into some more recording, it's obvious I don't have my shit together! haha.

On the other hand, it's a credit to Laney... I didn't think they had those sounds in them.

cobhc · April 19th, 2007, 02:36 AM

Yeah, I'm very suprised at that tone as well from a fairly cheap amp. I think a lot of the balls on most Opeth albums are from Mendez's bass tone, it's huge, especially on BWP.

NickL · April 19th, 2007, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Exocaster

A big part of that is Mikael Akerfeldt's playing. I feel the need to comment on this as I was just listening to Ghost Reveries. He's a bad motherfucker indeed.

Speaking of GR, I think the drums on that record suffer greatly for lack of Mr. Sneap. The guitar and bass tones are great, but the drums are so thin and buried in the mix. Does anyone know if the drums on Deliverance are triggered at all? I've heard it's all acoustic save for the kicks during the heavy sections, but I don't know for sure.

I'd hate to be the poor bastard trying to trigger Martin Lopez's snare, that's for sure. Ghost notes up the ass.

i agree on the drums on ghost reveries, they sound like a little toy drumset. The kick and snare are wayyyyyy too weak sounding

Exocaster · April 19th, 2007, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by cobhc

Yeah, I'm very suprised at that tone as well from a fairly cheap amp. I think a lot of the balls on most Opeth albums are from Mendez's bass tone, it's huge, especially on BWP.

Laneys have a reputation for being a pretty good value in the amp world. There's a lot of people who consider them superior to current production Marshalls- Marshall's new JVM notwithstanding; by all accounts it's the best thing they've made in twenty years (aside from the Jubilee and 6100).

Mendez has awesome tone. Total Fender Jazz and Ampeg growl. He's usually mixed pretty prominently, too, which is as it should be.

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Originally Posted by The Broodwich

i agree on the drums on ghost reveries, they sound like a little toy drumset. The kick and snare are wayyyyyy too weak sounding

It's funny; they sound alright on the intro to Beneath The Mire before the band kicks in. All kinds of dry- probably too dry, actually- but once they're in a mix, whatever balls they may have had dissapear. Lopez was totally all about the snare and cymbal work, and it's a real dissapointment to hear the snare on GR, especially after the wonderful woody crack it had on Deliverance.

I think Opeth is one of the bands that could really benefit from an atypical (for metal) mix. I think a big, open rock mix- think Tool or Gov't Mule, if you're familiar- would suit them really well. Something where you can hear every nuance of the kick and snare, really prominant bass, lots of seperation on the guitars. There's a lot of subtleties in their music that other metal bands don't really have- this isn't to slam other bands, it's just that what they emphasize, things like locking with the kick at 220 bpm is different than what Opeth does- heavily ghosted snare tracks, really nuanced clean and mid-gain tones- and that's what I would play up were I behind the board.

November 6th, 2006, 09:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
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November 15th, 2006, 08:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
Sinister Mephisto 1337 Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,620	I noticed that when the left guitar plays solo for a few measures there is reverb for it in the right. Does anyone know if there is reverb on the distorted guitars the whole time? I think Andy said he doesn't normally do that. But maybe for such a tame band. :P

November 15th, 2006, 09:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
MX582 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Katy, Texas Posts: 237	i think it only during the solo..its pretty common to add reverb to just the solo alone

November 16th, 2006, 12:58 AM	#4 (permalink)
Sweetnothing ¯\(º_o)/¯ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Madrid Spain Posts: 570	I don't think of deliverance as a "dry" record...so I'd say yes, a little reverb on guitars going on all of the time, but it can be just my ears.

April 18th, 2007, 08:34 AM	#21 (permalink)
Andy Sneap Metal Guru Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: at home Posts: 2,505	no rev on rhythms