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Old April 7th, 2006, 02:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The best band Line-Up Ever!

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/bla...wsitemID=50411


ok so Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater)
Steven Wilson (Porcupine Tree)
and Michael Akerfeldt (Opeth)


are to being collaberating on some music. So far no bassist has been named but what if Stevey D threw in some fretless. All my most influencial musicians in one band. And my idol throwing down my favorite part of a band and what i play; bass guits. How sick would that be people:

Steven Wilson (vocals, guitars, keys)
Michael Akerfeldt (vocals, guitars)
Steve DiGiorgio (Fretless, bass)
Mike Portnoy (percussion, drums)

I mean this would be even better than the ITP lineup for me of Hoglan, Schuldiner, LaRocque, and Steve. Steve hopefully you get in on this :-P do it for me haha.

What you guys think?
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Old April 7th, 2006, 01:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think it would be awesome if Steve got into this. Really really really awesome!
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Old April 7th, 2006, 09:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
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instead Portnoy would be Richard Christy, Gene Hoglan, Sean Reinert or Asgeir xDDD

all of them are so much better than portnoy... portnoy isn't a excellent drummer... is good but don't so much (i have listened DT, liquid tension, transatlantic, and other things in which portnoy has been involved... no one has impressed me so much)
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Old April 7th, 2006, 09:16 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I think it would be beyond awesome. Sadly, Steve seems wayyyy busy these days, y'know?
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Old April 7th, 2006, 10:02 PM   #5 (permalink)
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instead Portnoy would be Richard Christy, Gene Hoglan, Sean Reinert or Asgeir xDDD

all of them are so much better than portnoy... portnoy isn't a excellent drummer... is good but don't so much (i have listened DT, liquid tension, transatlantic, and other things in which portnoy has been involved... no one has impressed me so much)

Portnoy is so highly talked about. I've heard nothing he's ever done. I'm curious to here him since you think nothing much of him. Dream Theater gets such mixed reviews all over the board, I should probably listen to them, just to get an opinion at least!
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Old April 8th, 2006, 02:41 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Methinks Steve's too good for them. Couldn't be the world's best lineup without Ron Jarzombek, Rick Colaluca or Doug Keyser anyway... Sure, I'm a WatchTower fanboy, but then so is Portnoy.
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Old April 8th, 2006, 07:31 PM   #7 (permalink)
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how come, sadly? he's gonna be on the road with the best band ever, SADUS!!! + he's got the new project coming out too... with Alvelais... that's gonna be cool too!
 
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Old April 9th, 2006, 02:18 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Portnoy is so highly talked about. I've heard nothing he's ever done. I'm curious to here him since you think nothing much of him. Dream Theater gets such mixed reviews all over the board, I should probably listen to them, just to get an opinion at least!
It seems you like Prog , so Dream Theater would be right down your alley in terms of taste. They cover vast bounds in styles of music like metal, nonmetal etc... so I recommend getting "Scenes from a memory" album its great.
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Old April 10th, 2006, 11:44 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Theres a difference between overrated and overdiscussed; Portnoy is overdiscussed. For you all to say he is not a good drummer or "overrated" just for the meer fact of a lot of people talking about him or mentioning his name as when people are asked who is the best drummer is not only ignorant but stupid. Their are probably a lot better drummers than Portnoy, true, but its about the style and diversity one can bring into collaberation. Plus the writing capabilities between each other. Meshing different qualities of all those musicians is not only wetdream worthy for me but smart. Plus most of you are baseing your opinion on Portnoy because you dont like dream theater or believe they get too much recognition than other prog bands just as good as them. Well dont let that cloud your mind on how good portnoy is. Because he is a great drummer no way around it. Plus its very evident Mike and Steven are on the same page as each other (ahem) O.S.I.? Great outcome , maybe only one song but still, and duh Akerfeldt and Wilson , opeth albums. I mean the music will definately come together with ease. Id just love to hear some classic DiGiorgio fretless behind it.
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Old April 11th, 2006, 08:27 PM   #10 (permalink)
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What they should do is use Portnoy's sick Tama kit and give drumming duties to someone else...Richard Christy's a good pic, Felix Griffin, Paul Bostaph, Tom Hunting would also be another if he's still alive. Jon Allen would be great too. Then you throw in James Murphy for a third guitarist (like current Maiden style). Plus add SDG---Then I think I'd be satisfied. Sounds promising no matter what happens.
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Old April 11th, 2006, 08:34 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Where drummers are concerned - honestly, I'd like to see Steve do something with Kai Hahto of Wintersun.

I also agree with the comment about Ron Jarzombek.
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Old April 11th, 2006, 10:21 PM   #12 (permalink)
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i think it isn't a "dreamed formation", could be better musicians there... maybe SDG be too good for them

PD: portnoy is totally overrated.
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Old April 12th, 2006, 07:31 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Mike Portnoy is a hell of a drummer, he can be very technical, but when it comes to create smthg original or simply different, he's not the man.

I personally prefer Gene Hoglan, Richard Christy or Greg Hall (ex Sacred Reich).
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Old April 13th, 2006, 04:45 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Difficult :P there are some "best" line-ups to think of. If you can only name a single line up of "best" musicians, you just don't know enough musicians

some lineups I'd like to see/hear:

drums: Mark Zonder
bass and stick: Sean Malone
other bass or stick: Rob vd Loo
keyboard: Kevin Moore
vocals: Geoff Tate

another one:
Poogie Bell, Steve DiGiorgio, Joe Zawinul, Wayne Shorter
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Old April 18th, 2006, 02:54 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Richard Christy, Gene Hoglan, will be better than Portnoy
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Mike Portnoy is a hell of a drummer, he can be very technical, but when it comes to create smthg original or simply different, he's not the man.

I personally prefer Gene Hoglan, Richard Christy or Greg Hall (ex Sacred Reich).
hell yeah!!!!

but i still saying, is totally overrated, even.. PORTNOY SUCKS!!!
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It seems you like Prog , so Dream Theater would be right down your alley in terms of taste. They cover vast bounds in styles of music like metal, nonmetal etc... so I recommend getting "Scenes from a memory" album its great.
Thanks, I'll get it. I hope I like it! I recently came to the realization that the main character on the last Ayreon album (one of my all time favorite albums), The Human Equation, was played by the singer of Dream Theater, so now I'm more excited about hearing them!
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hell yeah!!!!

but i still saying, is totally overrated, even.. PORTNOY SUCKS!!!
Man i wish i sucked playing drums like he does!

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Old April 20th, 2006, 07:34 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Portnoy is definitely a good drummer. However, I think his playing in DT has become boring and pretty much standard since SDOIT, or even SFAM.
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Old April 23rd, 2006, 11:56 AM   #22 (permalink)
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And you're all wrong.

To those saying he does nothing original anymore: that's because most of what's considered standard in prog-metal now is ripped off him.

To those saying he's just a bad drummer, and have listened to all his stuff: either you're lying to everyone else, or you don't know what hard drumming is.

To those saying Paul Bostaph's better (though Richard Christy probably is as good): have you considered that there's more to drumming than doing the fastest bass rolls possible?

What Portnoy does in Dream Theater is supposed to be standard (though, as I said, it's only considered standard because everyone else started doing the same thing). Dream Theater is not a band trying to showcase any of the musicians, and their songs are complex in their melodic and harmonic aspects. Portnoy's focus in Dream Theater is not and should not be to show off, but to make the songs as seamlessly integrated as possible. If you want to see him do something dangerous, listen to all the side projects, perhaps watch that video going around of that drum clinic solo he did.
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And you're all wrong.

To those saying he does nothing original anymore: that's because most of what's considered standard in prog-metal now is ripped off him.

To those saying he's just a bad drummer, and have listened to all his stuff: either you're lying to everyone else, or you don't know what hard drumming is.

To those saying Paul Bostaph's better (though Richard Christy probably is as good): have you considered that there's more to drumming than doing the fastest bass rolls possible?

What Portnoy does in Dream Theater is supposed to be standard (though, as I said, it's only considered standard because everyone else started doing the same thing). Dream Theater is not a band trying to showcase any of the musicians, and their songs are complex in their melodic and harmonic aspects. Portnoy's focus in Dream Theater is not and should not be to show off, but to make the songs as seamlessly integrated as possible. If you want to see him do something dangerous, listen to all the side projects, perhaps watch that video going around of that drum clinic solo he did.
thinkin' it well, I must say something.... portoy don't suck. he plays drums enough good, but still being overrated.

about "you don't know how hard is to play that portnoy stuff" ... i play drums and portnoy songs aren't hard to play. I can play songs like glass prison, all the scenes from a memory... isn't so hard.

I have the DVD clinic with liquid tension... in the DVD he do a lot of mistakes (see his face when he plays, even he strikes his headfront in a moment.

Is very difficult to compare portnoy with bostaph. he got styles totally different, and portnoy maybe is more skilled to play... bostaph got speed and power.

Richard Christy is the man. the got skill and brutality. Christy easily kick ass portnoy with his skills (listen the sound of perseverance and try to play spirit crusher or scavenger of human sorrow like him) and he can play faster than bostaph.
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To those saying he's just a bad drummer, and have listened to all his stuff: either you're lying to everyone else, or you don't know what hard drumming is.

To those saying Paul Bostaph's better (though Richard Christy probably is as good): have you considered that there's more to drumming than doing the fastest bass rolls possible? QUOTE]

1) Never said Tony P. was a bad drummer; that doesn't mean drummers like myself can't dislike his style; 2) Never mentioned Bostaph being better and none of the previous posts seem to even suggest anything like this (???). Definitely true what you say about double bass rolls and I didn't even like Bostaph that much until I read the interview in last months (or the maybe the month before or the month before that) DRUM! magazine. Bostaph is totally right about Phil Rudd: i.e. his drumming is so simple, it's difficult. Plus I think Bostaph did a good job on "Shovel Headed Kill Machine". Another one from way back in the day who had an odd style in a genre (Thrash metal) run by drummers who were using the same playbook was John Tabares. The stuff seems so damn sloppy, it's clever by design. It's like a reverse Bill Ward -instead of being "behind" the beat ever so slightly he trails off before the change or chorus.
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Old April 25th, 2006, 04:35 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Whoops...I meant Mike P. instead of Tony P.
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