Dream Theater- BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS Coming June 23rd - Page 2

estYMaj · March 16th, 2009, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenneth R.

Just listen to anything Train Of Thought and later. Durr. But I digress - good for them that they're still in business. Unfortunately for myself, even if this album comes out of the dark blue sky among the relevant and the fresh, it will sour a bit in light of the disappointment of their hubris.

I guess my question is what bands that you say have been trying to copy them are the ones dream theater a copying now I don't get it

I only ever here In DT's music bands that have influenced them I don't here any bands that have tried to copy them and now DT are copying other bands
There is always some of there influences and bands they enjoy in all there music
So with there last to CD's they dabbled with ( so to say ) straight out metal or power metal , But its better than hearing the same thing every time they make a new cd isn't it? Then all you would here is people complaining everything they do sounds the same.
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Swabs · March 16th, 2009, 05:57 PM

I hope it's not shit.

Kenneth R. · March 16th, 2009, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by estYMaj

I guess my question is what bands that you say have been trying to copy them are the ones dream theater a copying now I don't get it

I only ever here In DT's music bands that have influenced them I don't here any bands that have tried to copy them and now DT are copying other bands
There is always some of there influences and bands they enjoy in all there music
So with there last to CD's they dabbled with ( so to say ) straight out metal or power metal , But its better than hearing the same thing every time they make a new cd isn't it? Then all you would here is people complaining everything they do sounds the same.
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Ignoring the first three sentences that make very little sense other than repeating what I said in a circuitous way, not to mention grammar...

You want something concrete? Listen to Images & Words. Pretty good album, to be honest. Now listen to just about any "prog metal" band from Italy, or anyone whose name has Ivory, Dreams, Liquid, Black, or some other color in their name. These bands have in their descriptive blurbs the word "clone". Essentially, they emulate Dream Theater. 99% of these bands are shit on a stick. A few are half decent, and those are the ones who are just plain better than Dream Theater to begin with. Now, listen to Systematic Chaos. If you can swear it sounds significantly different from one of those bands, I'll give you a cookie. It's the derivative degeneration property associated with facsimile. Copy the copy, and copy that copy, and sooner or later all you have is static and unreadable, or in this case, unlistenable.

razoredge · March 16th, 2009, 07:13 PM

So Ken, what are these progressive bands that are better than Dream Theater, because I'd like to hear them. This in no regards making any comparison of Symphony X or say Threshold or PoS whom I do listen too but what other bands are so great? I could go for another new band but I do have my vocal issue, so it must be a good voice that actually sings.

mark b · March 16th, 2009, 10:42 PM

6 songs, an album cover that reminds me of awake, surely it has to be good!!

estYMaj · March 17th, 2009, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenneth R.

Ignoring the first three sentences that make very little sense other than repeating what I said in a circuitous way, not to mention grammar...

You want something concrete? Listen to Images & Words. Pretty good album, to be honest. Now listen to just about any "prog metal" band from Italy, or anyone whose name has Ivory, Dreams, Liquid, Black, or some other color in their name. These bands have in their descriptive blurbs the word "clone". Essentially, they emulate Dream Theater. 99% of these bands are shit on a stick. A few are half decent, and those are the ones who are just plain better than Dream Theater to begin with. Now, listen to Systematic Chaos. If you can swear it sounds significantly different from one of those bands, I'll give you a cookie. It's the derivative degeneration property associated with facsimile. Copy the copy, and copy that copy, and sooner or later all you have is static and unreadable, or in this case, unlistenable.

Forgive me for not checking my grammar,
Ill make it simple since you are far more intelligent than I
As far as te repeating I was trying to figure out what you meant , that dream theater has been copyied ( Wow Big surprise that never happens to anyone )
But you say now there copying those who copy them ( I Don't think so)

No i still don't here them trying to sound like other bands
I don't feel like DT copy's anyone, I could pick up anyone’s cd and hear something in it that sounds like another bands music , IT doesn't mean there copying them
No I don't like every song from there last 2 cd's , that doesn't make me say they suck now and i won't stay a fan Just because there messing around with the style of music they choose to play at this time , no one owns a style of music do they?

Akerfeldternator · March 17th, 2009, 10:18 AM

Oh man, I'm soooo excited for this.

I don't know about you guys, but I love most DT albums. (I didn't really like the first one, and I only like Trial of Tears and Peruvian Skies from Falling Into Infinity) Systematic Chaos was excellent, and I heard that this album's gonna flirt a bit with choirs and gothic music (something like Symphony X's Paradise Lost).

ABQShredHead · March 17th, 2009, 10:32 AM

I'm major pumpitude myself. I don't care what snobbery might align against me - I freakin' love Dream Theater.

I am right along with forgottenglory here - if the music matches the artwork parallels, it will be awesome! But, I still stand by my argument that they will not reach the lofty output of I&W and Awake without Kevin Moore's songwriting. Maybe they could collaborate................

Progbass · March 17th, 2009, 10:48 AM

Yea, I think it will be about the same style than their last 2 albums. But some surprise would be nice...I will buy it anyway cuz there is alot more boring music going on nowadays so it's always worth it.

Kenneth R. · March 17th, 2009, 05:58 PM

They certainly needed Kevin Moore, that's for sure Mark...

Postulate · March 17th, 2009, 11:35 PM

drifting through time and space
guitar solo in yo face
fall prey to the shattering might
of the fanbase's hard-on...night!

^ summary of dream theater

razoredge · March 18th, 2009, 06:00 AM

whinny little bitch
^summary of Postulate

Postulate · March 18th, 2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by razoredge

whinny little bitch
^summary of Postulate

ABQShredHead · March 18th, 2009, 11:20 AM

Oh, snap!

EyeballKid · March 18th, 2009, 05:13 PM

Can't we all just get along for once in a DT thread?

I know, I know...but it was a thought.

Postulate · March 18th, 2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ABQShredHead

Oh, snap!

I got burned.

razoredge · March 18th, 2009, 05:53 PM

was meant in the less serious sense of the phrase

does seem rather odd to be unhappy with progressive and come to the SX forum to voice that, though. But like someone said on the last page its all personal taste. I enjoy enough varity of music I dont feel the need to slag any of the styles that have integrity.

Kenneth R. · March 18th, 2009, 06:53 PM

See though, I like Symphony X because they aren't progtarded.

razoredge · March 18th, 2009, 08:05 PM

But Ken I think thats a personal thing, theres stuff you just dont like, like me and my death voice noise thing

progmetaldan · March 18th, 2009, 11:26 PM

I had something not nice to say, but it seems Dream Theater threads always manage to bring out the worst in us...

What I will say, is they're still one of my all time favourite bands, although their last few albums have been not quite as good imo, I can still find parts which I really like, and even FII which is probably my least favourite of their albums, has a few of my favourite tracks in 'Trial Of Tears' and 'Hell's Kitchen/Lines In The Sand', so I'll be buying it regardless and I'm confident I'll find some positives even if not as good as SFAM or Awake or whatever. But hopefully it will be and that will be even better.

Detective Clarence Beauregard · March 19th, 2009, 02:42 PM

I'll be downloading this before I purchase. I've been avoiding DT; the absence of their music makes me a better person.

forgottenglory · March 19th, 2009, 05:02 PM

Yep, I'd like to at least preview the album before I buy it because latter day DT can be scary.

control-denied777 · March 21st, 2009, 04:13 PM

i have all their albums except "systematic chaos" im happy I previewed it !

rockyracoon · March 27th, 2009, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenneth R.

They certainly needed Kevin Moore, that's for sure Mark...

Chroma Key>DT

Kenneth R. · March 28th, 2009, 12:25 PM

March 16th, 2009, 05:57 PM	#27 (permalink)
Swabs No. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Oxford (at Uni), UK Posts: 13,665	I hope it's not shit. __________________

March 16th, 2009, 07:13 PM	#29 (permalink)
razoredge Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 5,001	So Ken, what are these progressive bands that are better than Dream Theater, because I'd like to hear them. This in no regards making any comparison of Symphony X or say Threshold or PoS whom I do listen too but what other bands are so great? I could go for another new band but I do have my vocal issue, so it must be a good voice that actually sings. __________________ into this wild abyss, the womb of nature and perhaps her grave, of neither sea, nor shore, nor air, nor fire... but all these in their pregnant causes mixed confusedly, and which thus must ever fight, unless the almighty maker then ordain his dark materials to create more worlds, into this wild abyss the wary fiend stood on the brink of hell and looked a while, pondering his voyage

March 16th, 2009, 10:42 PM	#30 (permalink)
mark b Prog 4 ever. Australia!!! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Australia. Posts: 2,544	6 songs, an album cover that reminds me of awake, surely it has to be good!! __________________ MARCEL COENEN

March 17th, 2009, 10:32 AM	#33 (permalink)
ABQShredHead ©1970 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 2,407	I'm major pumpitude myself. I don't care what snobbery might align against me - I freakin' love Dream Theater. I am right along with forgottenglory here - if the music matches the artwork parallels, it will be awesome! But, I still stand by my argument that they will not reach the lofty output of I&W and Awake without Kevin Moore's songwriting. Maybe they could collaborate................ __________________ More hops, please! I like big hops and I cannot lie... Maker of fine beers and owner of The Backyard Brewery. Action Figures Sold Separately Guitar Talk, Love, & Drums

March 17th, 2009, 10:48 AM	#34 (permalink)
Progbass Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 355	Yea, I think it will be about the same style than their last 2 albums. But some surprise would be nice...I will buy it anyway cuz there is alot more boring music going on nowadays so it's always worth it. __________________ Be careful that your bass don't beat the hell out of you...

March 17th, 2009, 10:18 AM	#32 (permalink)
Akerfeldternator Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1	Oh man, I'm soooo excited for this. I don't know about you guys, but I love most DT albums. (I didn't really like the first one, and I only like Trial of Tears and Peruvian Skies from Falling Into Infinity) Systematic Chaos was excellent, and I heard that this album's gonna flirt a bit with choirs and gothic music (something like Symphony X's Paradise Lost).

March 17th, 2009, 05:58 PM	#35 (permalink)
Kenneth R. Autumnstone Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hallways of Always Posts: 16,336	They certainly needed Kevin Moore, that's for sure Mark... __________________ The greatest story leaves you before a door to the dark. felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.

March 17th, 2009, 11:35 PM	#36 (permalink)
Postulate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 445	drifting through time and space guitar solo in yo face fall prey to the shattering might of the fanbase's hard-on...night! ^ summary of dream theater

March 18th, 2009, 06:00 AM	#37 (permalink)
razoredge Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 5,001	whinny little bitch ^summary of Postulate __________________ into this wild abyss, the womb of nature and perhaps her grave, of neither sea, nor shore, nor air, nor fire... but all these in their pregnant causes mixed confusedly, and which thus must ever fight, unless the almighty maker then ordain his dark materials to create more worlds, into this wild abyss the wary fiend stood on the brink of hell and looked a while, pondering his voyage

March 18th, 2009, 11:20 AM	#39 (permalink)
ABQShredHead ©1970 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 2,407	Oh, snap! __________________ More hops, please! I like big hops and I cannot lie... Maker of fine beers and owner of The Backyard Brewery. Action Figures Sold Separately Guitar Talk, Love, & Drums

March 18th, 2009, 05:13 PM	#40 (permalink)
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March 18th, 2009, 05:53 PM	#42 (permalink)
razoredge Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 5,001	was meant in the less serious sense of the phrase does seem rather odd to be unhappy with progressive and come to the SX forum to voice that, though. But like someone said on the last page its all personal taste. I enjoy enough varity of music I dont feel the need to slag any of the styles that have integrity. __________________ into this wild abyss, the womb of nature and perhaps her grave, of neither sea, nor shore, nor air, nor fire... but all these in their pregnant causes mixed confusedly, and which thus must ever fight, unless the almighty maker then ordain his dark materials to create more worlds, into this wild abyss the wary fiend stood on the brink of hell and looked a while, pondering his voyage

March 18th, 2009, 06:53 PM	#43 (permalink)
Kenneth R. Autumnstone Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hallways of Always Posts: 16,336	See though, I like Symphony X because they aren't progtarded. __________________ The greatest story leaves you before a door to the dark. felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.

March 18th, 2009, 08:05 PM	#44 (permalink)
razoredge Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 5,001	But Ken I think thats a personal thing, theres stuff you just dont like, like me and my death voice noise thing __________________ into this wild abyss, the womb of nature and perhaps her grave, of neither sea, nor shore, nor air, nor fire... but all these in their pregnant causes mixed confusedly, and which thus must ever fight, unless the almighty maker then ordain his dark materials to create more worlds, into this wild abyss the wary fiend stood on the brink of hell and looked a while, pondering his voyage

March 18th, 2009, 11:26 PM	#45 (permalink)
progmetaldan Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Australia Posts: 5,824	I had something not nice to say, but it seems Dream Theater threads always manage to bring out the worst in us... What I will say, is they're still one of my all time favourite bands, although their last few albums have been not quite as good imo, I can still find parts which I really like, and even FII which is probably my least favourite of their albums, has a few of my favourite tracks in 'Trial Of Tears' and 'Hell's Kitchen/Lines In The Sand', so I'll be buying it regardless and I'm confident I'll find some positives even if not as good as SFAM or Awake or whatever. But hopefully it will be and that will be even better. __________________ Dan www.myspace.com/progmetalpilgrim

March 19th, 2009, 02:42 PM	#46 (permalink)
Detective Clarence Beauregard Hail the Horrors Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,607	I'll be downloading this before I purchase. I've been avoiding DT; the absence of their music makes me a better person. __________________ "I refuse to abandon my work! I've finished my research on the T-Virus, but I need a little more time to complete the more powerful G-Virus." - William Birkin "Do as you wish. I will follow my initial plan and lure the S.T.A.R.S. members into the mansion. Their superior combat training should make them perfect test subjects." - Albert Wesker

March 19th, 2009, 05:02 PM	#47 (permalink)
forgottenglory Earth. Soul. Rock n' Roll Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,821	Yep, I'd like to at least preview the album before I buy it because latter day DT can be scary. __________________

March 21st, 2009, 04:13 PM	#48 (permalink)
control-denied777 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 493	i have all their albums except "systematic chaos" im happy I previewed it !

March 28th, 2009, 12:25 PM	#50 (permalink)
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