Symphony X - First Half or Second Half? - Page 4

dminisher · October 18th, 2011, 06:43 AM

hate last 2 albums , but love The Odyssey, overall I prefer the first half without doubt. I like old stuff symphony x

-Rivfader- · October 19th, 2011, 03:48 PM

I have been a long time fan, but I do prefer their newest stuff. I prefer heavier music. I am not much of a prog fan. Different strokes.

PurpleDink · October 19th, 2011, 10:51 PM

/covers Rivfader in fire blanket

shhh...you'll be safe here for a while.

-Rivfader- · October 20th, 2011, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PurpleDink

/covers Rivfader in fire blanket

shhh...you'll be safe here for a while.

_Gentleman of_the Snow_ · October 20th, 2011, 04:22 PM

*lifts up fire blanket*

There you are!

*Sets Riv on fire*

MichelX · October 21st, 2011, 02:44 AM

I like both,, but i choose second half (V: The New Mythology Suite, The Odyssey, Paradise Lost, Iconoclast) because the sound production,, talk about the sound production,, i wish they re-recorded "The Damnation Game" album with the quality sound like "The Odussey" album,, i like Damnation Game album, but i don't really like the sound production,,

PurpleDink · October 21st, 2011, 11:18 AM

^Same with debut but MJR says theyve tried and said "fuck that" :/

Detective Clarence Beauregard · October 21st, 2011, 06:45 PM

^ Yep, I remember the rumors before Paradise Lost came out about how the band wanted to re-record the entire debut album, but eventually MJR just wanted to focus on new material. I asked Lepond about it after one of the gigs in 2007 and he said roughly the same thing. My guess? They don't think those two albums are strong enough when compared to the more recent stuff.

EyeballKid · October 21st, 2011, 07:42 PM

As much I like a lot of stuff on Damnation Game, I completely agree with Romeo. To go back and record an old album is like saying, "We don't think what we recorded was good, let's redo it because we don't have any new material that is good either." It's a creative shot in the foot.

MichelX · October 22nd, 2011, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by EyeballKid

As much I like a lot of stuff on Damnation Game, I completely agree with Romeo. To go back and record an old album is like saying, "We don't think what we recorded was good, let's redo it because we don't have any new material that is good either." It's a creative shot in the foot.

hmm,, I think you are right,, i agree

MichelX · October 22nd, 2011, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Detective Clarence Beauregard

^ Yep, I remember the rumors before Paradise Lost came out about how the band wanted to re-record the entire debut album, but eventually MJR just wanted to focus on new material. I asked Lepond about it after one of the gigs in 2007 and he said roughly the same thing. My guess? They don't think those two albums are strong enough when compared to the more recent stuff.

I also agree with MJR, i think they better focus on new material, like the first ever official Symphony X Live DVD that we all have been waiting for

AsoTamaki · October 22nd, 2011, 06:08 AM

Re-recording the debut makes a lot of sense. Obviously, having Russell sing on it would be a huge difference. Other small additions or changes could be made if the band isn't satisfied with the songs themselves. That happened with Masquerade and it turned out fantastic as we all know. I remember hearing back then that they would maybe do one or two songs at a time as bonus tracks, but I guess the ship has sailed on that idea. Seriously, I'd love for them to still do it though. It'd certainly be in stark contrast to the current music they make. I don't think it would interfere with any creative inspirations being used towards new material.

There's really no justification for re-recording The Damnation Game. Not sure why anyone would even want that.

EyeballKid · October 22nd, 2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by AsoTamaki

Re-recording the debut makes a lot of sense. Obviously, having Russell sing on it would be a huge difference. Other small additions or changes could be made if the band isn't satisfied with the songs themselves. That happened with Masquerade and it turned out fantastic as we all know. I remember hearing back then that they would maybe do one or two songs at a time as bonus tracks, but I guess the ship has sailed on that idea. Seriously, I'd love for them to still do it though. It'd certainly be in stark contrast to the current music they make. I don't think it would interfere with any creative inspirations being used towards new material.

If the band is going to the bother of recording and making changes to songs, I think it's more worthwhile from their point of view to just write new material. Also, I'm sure the record company would prefer them to move forward.

Honestly, no matter my thoughts on the songs on Paradise Lost or Iconoclast, the self-titled sounds like a band's first album. Romeo's sensibilities have sharpened and the band has come together more as songwriters since then, whether or not I personally enjoy the direction. A stark contrast in sound is the last thing the band or the label wants at this point.

Prismatic Sphere · October 22nd, 2011, 11:39 AM

Nah, re-recording the first record would be a nice break from this PL crash course they've been on the last 5 years. It might get them back to good 'ol prog basics. Unless the other band members get some songwriting entries in with the new stuff and Russ gets sick of playing Dio.

MichelX · October 22nd, 2011, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AsoTamaki

Re-recording the debut makes a lot of sense. Obviously, having Russell sing on it would be a huge difference. Other small additions or changes could be made if the band isn't satisfied with the songs themselves. That happened with Masquerade and it turned out fantastic as we all know. I remember hearing back then that they would maybe do one or two songs at a time as bonus tracks, but I guess the ship has sailed on that idea. Seriously, I'd love for them to still do it though. It'd certainly be in stark contrast to the current music they make. I don't think it would interfere with any creative inspirations being used towards new material.

There's really no justification for re-recording The Damnation Game. Not sure why anyone would even want that.

many of my friends who like Symphony X, when they hear The Damnation Game, they really like all the song from the album,, BUT they were all say that the sound of the album is not good like The odyssey or maybe Iconoclast, it's all about the sound production of the album

_Gentleman of_the Snow_ · October 22nd, 2011, 02:17 PM

...but at the same time, that album is what it is. It shouldn't be changed.
I don't think I agree with re-recording albums... remastering, I agree more with.

MichelX · October 22nd, 2011, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by _Gentleman of_the Snow_

...but at the same time, that album is what it is. It shouldn't be changed.
I don't think I agree with re-recording albums... remastering, I agree more with.

hmm,, remastering,, and re-mix with the new sound, i think is a good idea,,

_Gentleman of_the Snow_ · October 22nd, 2011, 02:38 PM

Actually, I take back what I said.
As long as the originals still exist, and do not go out of print, I support any form of recreation. When it replaces the original, I get upset.

Prismatic Sphere · October 22nd, 2011, 03:25 PM

Leave The Damnation Game alone(unless they remaster it). But the first one; re-record by all means(maybe keep Miller's basslines though).

_Gentleman of_the Snow_ · October 22nd, 2011, 03:50 PM

Re-recordings, or sequels are sometimes cool just to witness the changes the band saw fit to make. It's interesting! (example: Accolade II)

Detective Clarence Beauregard · October 22nd, 2011, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Prismatic Sphere

Leave The Damnation Game alone(unless they remaster it). But the first one; re-record by all means(maybe keep Miller's basslines though).

I could honestly see them re-recording a song or two for extra bonus tracks, but they'd never re-record the whole album. In the band's eyes, their songwriting abilities have vastly improved since then, and I'll bet MJR probably dislikes most of those songs. A re-recorded debut album would probably only sell amongst die-hard fans of the band, and MJR would see it as too much trouble. But a bonus track or two (similar to what they did with Masquerade) would be a nice treat.

By "keep Miller's basslines" do you mean have Lepond play the bass parts unchanged, or actually use the recordings of Miller playing the lines? Because they would obviously never do the latter.

Prismatic Sphere · October 22nd, 2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Detective Clarence Beauregard

By "keep Miller's basslines" do you mean have Lepond play the bass parts unchanged, or actually use the recordings of Miller playing the lines? Because they would obviously never do the latter.

Good point.

_Gentleman of_the Snow_ · October 22nd, 2011, 04:45 PM

^^ You're right, the latter wouldn't work.

Phanto · October 22nd, 2011, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dminisher

hate last 2 albums , but love The Odyssey, overall I prefer the first half without doubt. I like old stuff symphony x

cool avatar man
gryphon fucking rules

MichelX · October 23rd, 2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by _Gentleman of_the Snow_

Re-recordings, or sequels are sometimes cool just to witness the changes the band saw fit to make. It's interesting! (example: Accolade II)

i think the sequels is a good idea,,

what song next?

View Poll Results: Which half of Symphony X's discography do you prefer?
Symphony X, The Damnation Game, The Divine Wings Of Tragedy, Twilight In Olympus	18	27.27%
V: The New Mythology Suite, The Odyssey, Paradise Lost, Iconoclast	48	72.73%
Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll

October 19th, 2011, 03:48 PM	#77 (permalink)
-Rivfader- Klingons on Uranus Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: St. Louis Missouri USA Posts: 3,171	I have been a long time fan, but I do prefer their newest stuff. I prefer heavier music. I am not much of a prog fan. Different strokes. __________________ 5 2011 albums I really dig 1. Devin Townsend - Deconstruction 2. Turisas - Stand up and fight 3. Norther - Circle Regenerated 4. Symphony X - Iconoclast 5. Amon Amarth - Surtur Rising

October 19th, 2011, 10:51 PM	#78 (permalink)
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October 21st, 2011, 11:18 AM	#82 (permalink)
PurpleDink Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 251	^Same with debut but MJR says theyve tried and said "fuck that" :/ __________________ "You cant compare (insert two metal bands here) they are totaly diffrent!" I say: "No shit Sherlock whats the fun in comparing two of the same things?"

October 21st, 2011, 06:45 PM	#83 (permalink)
Detective Clarence Beauregard Dehumanized Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,415	^ Yep, I remember the rumors before Paradise Lost came out about how the band wanted to re-record the entire debut album, but eventually MJR just wanted to focus on new material. I asked Lepond about it after one of the gigs in 2007 and he said roughly the same thing. My guess? They don't think those two albums are strong enough when compared to the more recent stuff. __________________ "I refuse to abandon my work! I've finished my research on the T-Virus, but I need a little more time to complete the more powerful G-Virus." - William Birkin "Do as you wish. I will follow my initial plan and lure the S.T.A.R.S. members into the mansion. Their superior combat training should make them perfect test subjects." - Albert Wesker

October 18th, 2011, 06:43 AM	#76 (permalink)
dminisher Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 47	hate last 2 albums , but love The Odyssey, overall I prefer the first half without doubt. I like old stuff symphony x

October 20th, 2011, 04:22 PM	#80 (permalink)
_Gentleman of_the Snow_ Prog' Drummer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,773	lifts up fire blanket There you are! Sets Riv on fire

October 21st, 2011, 02:44 AM	#81 (permalink)
MichelX Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia Posts: 24	I like both,, but i choose second half (V: The New Mythology Suite, The Odyssey, Paradise Lost, Iconoclast) because the sound production,, talk about the sound production,, i wish they re-recorded "The Damnation Game" album with the quality sound like "The Odussey" album,, i like Damnation Game album, but i don't really like the sound production,,

October 21st, 2011, 07:42 PM	#84 (permalink)
EyeballKid Shyamalan'd Join Date: May 2007 Location: 9th & Hennepin Posts: 1,597	As much I like a lot of stuff on Damnation Game, I completely agree with Romeo. To go back and record an old album is like saying, "We don't think what we recorded was good, let's redo it because we don't have any new material that is good either." It's a creative shot in the foot. __________________ Twitter! MusicTube Abandom on Twitter sad sad Donut Productions

October 22nd, 2011, 06:08 AM	#87 (permalink)
AsoTamaki Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 169	Re-recording the debut makes a lot of sense. Obviously, having Russell sing on it would be a huge difference. Other small additions or changes could be made if the band isn't satisfied with the songs themselves. That happened with Masquerade and it turned out fantastic as we all know. I remember hearing back then that they would maybe do one or two songs at a time as bonus tracks, but I guess the ship has sailed on that idea. Seriously, I'd love for them to still do it though. It'd certainly be in stark contrast to the current music they make. I don't think it would interfere with any creative inspirations being used towards new material. There's really no justification for re-recording The Damnation Game. Not sure why anyone would even want that.

October 22nd, 2011, 11:39 AM	#89 (permalink)
Prismatic Sphere We Carouse Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: In A Bowl Of Chili Posts: 1,720	Nah, re-recording the first record would be a nice break from this PL crash course they've been on the last 5 years. It might get them back to good 'ol prog basics. Unless the other band members get some songwriting entries in with the new stuff and Russ gets sick of playing Dio. __________________ Me: I hate to ask you this; but when you wrote "The Edge Of Forever" was there like this kind of incandescent glow in the air? Michael Romeo: Nah, just cigarette smoke. Reject Statism: The life you live could be your own. Last edited by Prismatic Sphere : October 22nd, 2011 at 03:07 PM.

October 22nd, 2011, 02:17 PM	#91 (permalink)
_Gentleman of_the Snow_ Prog' Drummer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,773	...but at the same time, that album is what it is. It shouldn't be changed. I don't think I agree with re-recording albums... remastering, I agree more with.

October 22nd, 2011, 02:38 PM	#93 (permalink)
_Gentleman of_the Snow_ Prog' Drummer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,773	Actually, I take back what I said. As long as the originals still exist, and do not go out of print, I support any form of recreation. When it replaces the original, I get upset.

October 22nd, 2011, 03:25 PM	#94 (permalink)
Prismatic Sphere We Carouse Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: In A Bowl Of Chili Posts: 1,720	Leave The Damnation Game alone(unless they remaster it). But the first one; re-record by all means(maybe keep Miller's basslines though). __________________ Me: I hate to ask you this; but when you wrote "The Edge Of Forever" was there like this kind of incandescent glow in the air? Michael Romeo: Nah, just cigarette smoke. Reject Statism: The life you live could be your own.

October 22nd, 2011, 03:50 PM	#95 (permalink)
_Gentleman of_the Snow_ Prog' Drummer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,773	Re-recordings, or sequels are sometimes cool just to witness the changes the band saw fit to make. It's interesting! (example: Accolade II)

October 22nd, 2011, 04:45 PM	#98 (permalink)
_Gentleman of_the Snow_ Prog' Drummer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,773	^^ You're right, the latter wouldn't work. Last edited by _Gentleman of_the Snow_ : October 23rd, 2011 at 06:41 AM.