Next Testament CD - Page 21

redfly · March 24th, 2012, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Alteredmindeath

If Testament drummed like that they wouldn't be thrash metal anymore, they would be death/black metal.

You've got to be kidding me.Since when are drums the genre definer.

redfly · March 24th, 2012, 02:03 PM

I know everyone is praising the lack of winter.It makes me a little nervous lol!

Angelic Slayer · March 24th, 2012, 02:19 PM

I personally wouldn't like it if blastbeats became the primary drumming style for Testament, but seeing as that is very unlikely to happen, I'm not concerned about it. I'm not adverse to blastbeats, and think they have their place. So as long they are used sparingly, and just to add a bit of spice to certain songs, I won't have problem with it.

As for the weather thing, well in some parts down south they're thinking of rationing water because of drought. Most people complain about rain, but they don't realise that we actually need some sometimes! lol

Alteredmindeath · March 24th, 2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by redfly

You've got to be kidding me.Since when are drums the genre definer.

You've got to be kidding me, since when does thrash metal have death metal blast metal beats?

redfly · March 25th, 2012, 09:40 PM

For a long time actually

redfly · March 26th, 2012, 12:24 AM

Still my question is how do drums make the genre? The drums count over both guitars,bass and Chucks vocals?!

Angelic Slayer · March 26th, 2012, 01:35 AM

If Testament made another album like Demonic, but with a lot of blast beats, it would definitely be classed as some genre of extreme metal.

However, Chuck has said that he thinks even some non-metal fans might like the album, and from what he and other members have said during interviews, I definitely don't get the impression the new album is going to be a "Demonic Pt:2", let alone some death metal/grindcore fest.

redfly · March 27th, 2012, 02:04 PM

No,I agree it won't be Demonic 2.And I don't want to here blast beats everywhere either.However if the drummer is doing cool shit with his hands as well I would have no problem with it.
all these other genres have just taken parts of thrash and made whole songs from them anyway.
I still think "extreme metal'is an oxymoron lol!

Angelic Slayer · March 27th, 2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by redfly

No,I agree it won't be Demonic 2.And I don't want to here blast beats everywhere either.However if the drummer is doing cool shit with his hands as well I would have no problem with it.
all these other genres have just taken parts of thrash and made whole songs from them anyway.
I still think "extreme metal'is an oxymoron lol!

100% agreed! lol

anomynous · March 27th, 2012, 02:18 PM

DAMN IT I want this album now

Traxan · March 27th, 2012, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Angelic Slayer

I think the difference is, once Overkill started work on their new album, they kept working on it until it was finished. Testament kept interrupting their recording by going on tours, which is what caused the delays, and the release date of the album to keep being pushed back. Every time over the 2nd half of last year (and the start of this year!) I heard Testament were taking another tour, I was thinking "Geez, stop going on tour and just finish the album already! Then you can tour as much as you want!" hehee xD

You are forgetting something. Bands can't make a living on record sales. Testament are probably funding the making of the record by that touring. You think these rinky dink metal labels have any money? Are you forgetting the debacle with Nevermore's "Enemies of Reality?" Century Media didn't put up shit for money and the album was garbage.

Angelic Slayer · March 28th, 2012, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Traxan

You are forgetting something. Bands can't make a living on record sales. Testament are probably funding the making of the record by that touring. You think these rinky dink metal labels have any money? Are you forgetting the debacle with Nevermore's "Enemies of Reality?" Century Media didn't put up shit for money and the album was garbage.

Overkill are no bigger than Testament. If anything, Testament are probably bigger than Overkill. They are also both on the same record label right now (Nuclear Blast). So really, if Overkill can do it, there's no reason why Testament shouldn't have been able to do the same.

I think "Enemies Of Reality" is an awesome album! It's far, far, from being garbage. I love that album a lot.

Alteredmindeath · March 28th, 2012, 02:01 PM

I didn't like Demonic, it wasn't a Testament album to me. The growl vocals didn't fit, blast beats barely fit either.

redfly · March 29th, 2012, 02:21 PM

Frankly I'm disappointed with the new Overkill.I wish they had taken a little more time.I think Iron Bound is way better.
Didn't TFOD sell over 300 hundred thousand? That's surely enough to make a record.Chuck said they just kept getting offers they couldn't refuse.

LOVE DEMONIC! so evil.I mean c'mon at a time when most bands folded or went pussy Testament does the exact opposite...love it.

Alteredmindeath · March 29th, 2012, 05:33 PM

Some people may have liked Demonic, but if I were to introduce someone to Testament I wouldn't use Demonic because it would deceive them of Testaments true original sound.

Angelic Slayer · March 30th, 2012, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by redfly

Frankly I'm disappointed with the new Overkill.I wish they had taken a little more time.I think Iron Bound is way better.
Didn't TFOD sell over 300 hundred thousand? That's surely enough to make a record.Chuck said they just kept getting offers they couldn't refuse.

LOVE DEMONIC! so evil.I mean c'mon at a time when most bands folded or went pussy Testament does the exact opposite...love it.

I haven't listened to the new Overkill yet (I will later today!) so I can't comment on that. However, the length of time between Ironbound and The Electric Age was round about the same length of time as there was between Immortalis and Ironbound. So IF the new album is sub par, it can't really be blamed on the length of time that was spent on writing and recording it. And, I do know TFOD sold very well, though I don't know the exact figure. It's pretty safe to say it did sell more than Ironbound however.

I also heard Chuck saying they kept getting "offers they couldn't refuse" tour wise. I don't think they took the tours to fund the new album's recording.

My thoughts on Demonic is that it's a pretty patchy album, but some of the songs are awesome, and I think it is an underrated album overall. I prefer The Gathering though, as it took the good elements of Demonic, and mixed them in with their earlier style.

@Alteredmindeath: Agreed. Demonic is the last album I would use to introduce someone to Testament, as it's the least representative of their overall style.

Traxan · March 31st, 2012, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Angelic Slayer

Overkill are no bigger than Testament. If anything, Testament are probably bigger than Overkill. They are also both on the same record label right now (Nuclear Blast). So really, if Overkill can do it, there's no reason why Testament shouldn't have been able to do the same.

I think "Enemies Of Reality" is an awesome album! It's far, far, from being garbage. I love that album a lot.

I thought Overkill is on eOne?

And Enemies is an awesome album but the original production was shit. Andy Sneap remastered it 2 years after its initial release and that was the one that people praised. The songs were good, but Kelly Gray's original production was ass.

Traxan · March 31st, 2012, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by redfly

Frankly I'm disappointed with the new Overkill.I wish they had taken a little more time.I think Iron Bound is way better.
Didn't TFOD sell over 300 hundred thousand? That's surely enough to make a record.Chuck said they just kept getting offers they couldn't refuse.

LOVE DEMONIC! so evil.I mean c'mon at a time when most bands folded or went pussy Testament does the exact opposite...love it.

And became generic in the process. One of the hallmarks of Testament is Chuck's awesome voice. With 'Demonic,' he was indistinguishable from all the corpsepaint covered shmucks from Scandinavia.

Angelic Slayer · March 31st, 2012, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Traxan

I thought Overkill is on eOne?

And Enemies is an awesome album but the original production was shit. Andy Sneap remastered it 2 years after its initial release and that was the one that people praised. The songs were good, but Kelly Gray's original production was ass.

They are on eONE Music in the US, but Nuclear Blast is their record company for Europe.

I didn't discover till years after I bought Enemies.... that some had a problem with it's original production. I've never had a problem with it myself, and never understood why it came in for so much flak. I've still never heard Andy Sneap's remaster of the album. I will have to at some point. But the original production is just fine to my ears... *shrugs*

About "Demonic", I wouldn't call it generic, though it is telling that my fave song on that album is the only one where Chuck uses his clean vocals the whole way through. ("Hatred's Rise") But still, songs like the crushing "Murky Waters" are also awesome, even though Chuck mainly uses the death vocals in them. The switch to the haunting cleans on the "Body's feeling lifeless..." part is amazing though, it has to be said!

blind_cynic · March 31st, 2012, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Traxan

You are forgetting something. Bands can't make a living on record sales. Testament are probably funding the making of the record by that touring. You think these rinky dink metal labels have any money? Are you forgetting the debacle with Nevermore's "Enemies of Reality?" Century Media didn't put up shit for money and the album was garbage.

I hope you mean the production of the album. they re-done it right after anyway because it sold pretty good.

anomynous · March 31st, 2012, 07:28 PM

Chuck on Demonic is still not generic. At all.

Angelic Slayer · March 31st, 2012, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by anomynous

Chuck on Demonic is still not generic. At all.

I agree, he's not. His death vocals have plenty of individual character, and whilst his clean vocals are used much more sparingly on "Demonic", when he does use them, it's a fantastic contrast. In fact, "John Doe" is a sparkling example of Chuck's vocal prowess. There's nothing at all "generic" about his vocals in that song, quite the opposite in fact.

redfly · April 1st, 2012, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Traxan

And became generic in the process. One of the hallmarks of Testament is Chuck's awesome voice. With 'Demonic,' he was indistinguishable from all the corpsepaint covered shmucks from Scandinavia.

Generic?! Chuck fuckin Billy?!
No comment needed

Alteredmindeath · April 2nd, 2012, 05:09 PM

I sold Demonic, didn't like it.

If i want death growls, I'll buy a death metal or black metal band, not a Testament record.

nafnikufesin · April 3rd, 2012, 01:26 PM

Has anyone heard any more news on the album? A date at the end of April had been mentioned a while back, but if that was still the case, wouldn't there start being a little more build-up happening now? Like maybe a single, or more interviews?

March 28th, 2012, 02:01 PM	#513 (permalink)
Alteredmindeath Pathfinder Chronicler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Underneath your bed Posts: 6,651	I didn't like Demonic, it wasn't a Testament album to me. The growl vocals didn't fit, blast beats barely fit either. __________________ http://paizo.com/pathfinder http://eclipsephase.com/ http://palladiumbooks.com/ http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ed...te.asp?eidm=50

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Alteredmindeath Pathfinder Chronicler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Underneath your bed Posts: 6,651	Some people may have liked Demonic, but if I were to introduce someone to Testament I wouldn't use Demonic because it would deceive them of Testaments true original sound. __________________ http://paizo.com/pathfinder http://eclipsephase.com/ http://palladiumbooks.com/ http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ed...te.asp?eidm=50

April 2nd, 2012, 05:09 PM	#524 (permalink)
Alteredmindeath Pathfinder Chronicler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Underneath your bed Posts: 6,651	I sold Demonic, didn't like it. If i want death growls, I'll buy a death metal or black metal band, not a Testament record. __________________ http://paizo.com/pathfinder http://eclipsephase.com/ http://palladiumbooks.com/ http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ed...te.asp?eidm=50

April 3rd, 2012, 01:26 PM	#525 (permalink)
nafnikufesin N.F.F. Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a Zone Posts: 12,218	Has anyone heard any more news on the album? A date at the end of April had been mentioned a while back, but if that was still the case, wouldn't there start being a little more build-up happening now? Like maybe a single, or more interviews? __________________ I've changed, by staying the same, What does it mean to be different? You've changed, faced from the start, Tell me, an alternative to what?

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redfly ruled by the riff Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Manchester/New England Posts: 1,813	I know everyone is praising the lack of winter.It makes me a little nervous lol!

March 24th, 2012, 02:19 PM	#503 (permalink)
Angelic Slayer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 196	I personally wouldn't like it if blastbeats became the primary drumming style for Testament, but seeing as that is very unlikely to happen, I'm not concerned about it. I'm not adverse to blastbeats, and think they have their place. So as long they are used sparingly, and just to add a bit of spice to certain songs, I won't have problem with it. As for the weather thing, well in some parts down south they're thinking of rationing water because of drought. Most people complain about rain, but they don't realise that we actually need some sometimes! lol

March 25th, 2012, 09:40 PM	#505 (permalink)
redfly ruled by the riff Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Manchester/New England Posts: 1,813	For a long time actually

March 26th, 2012, 12:24 AM	#506 (permalink)
redfly ruled by the riff Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Manchester/New England Posts: 1,813	Still my question is how do drums make the genre? The drums count over both guitars,bass and Chucks vocals?!

March 26th, 2012, 01:35 AM	#507 (permalink)
Angelic Slayer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 196	If Testament made another album like Demonic, but with a lot of blast beats, it would definitely be classed as some genre of extreme metal. However, Chuck has said that he thinks even some non-metal fans might like the album, and from what he and other members have said during interviews, I definitely don't get the impression the new album is going to be a "Demonic Pt:2", let alone some death metal/grindcore fest.

March 27th, 2012, 02:04 PM	#508 (permalink)
redfly ruled by the riff Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Manchester/New England Posts: 1,813	No,I agree it won't be Demonic 2.And I don't want to here blast beats everywhere either.However if the drummer is doing cool shit with his hands as well I would have no problem with it. all these other genres have just taken parts of thrash and made whole songs from them anyway. I still think "extreme metal'is an oxymoron lol!

March 27th, 2012, 02:18 PM	#510 (permalink)
anomynous Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 871	DAMN IT I want this album now

March 29th, 2012, 02:21 PM	#514 (permalink)
redfly ruled by the riff Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Manchester/New England Posts: 1,813	Frankly I'm disappointed with the new Overkill.I wish they had taken a little more time.I think Iron Bound is way better. Didn't TFOD sell over 300 hundred thousand? That's surely enough to make a record.Chuck said they just kept getting offers they couldn't refuse. LOVE DEMONIC! so evil.I mean c'mon at a time when most bands folded or went pussy Testament does the exact opposite...love it.

March 31st, 2012, 07:28 PM	#521 (permalink)
anomynous Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 871	Chuck on Demonic is still not generic. At all.