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2008 Political debate thread

Discussion in 'Symphony X (Unofficial)' started by scanner313, Mar 11, 2008.

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  1. Meedleyx10

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    To expand on that last bit...I can't help but feel that all the emphasis on his skin color is almost demeaning to his abilities as a politician and the campaign he ran. I find it a bit patronizing that his victory is being reduced to a sign of how we've overcome racial inequality (which is debatable of course, but let's not get into that)...because anyone who let race play a factor in swinging their vote (either direction) fucked up. Likewise...had McCain won, the news would be flooded tomorrow with all kinds of civil rights/minority groups bitching about how Obama lost because we are a nation of racists.
     
  2. EyeballKid

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    Nice expansion, perfectly stated. I completely agree with every word.

    Anybody who voted for Obama simply because he is a black man is ignorant and pathetic. Likewise to the reverse.
     
  3. DoomsdayZach

    DoomsdayZach The Professor was right

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    Mark, glad to see that even when you're unhappy, you are gracious about it. Cheers, I raise a... uh... bush to you.

    Harris and canto... wtf? Congrats on overusing catch phrase #23. Witnessing history my fucking dick.

    McCain's concession speech was inspiring and beautiful. Not a McCain supporter, but with that speech he stole the evening. especially next to obama's cheesy-ass speech.

    Or because we're living in a nation of feminists. Glad that wasn't the case, and women don't get me wrong. Women's right = important. Feminist ideals at the expense of good government = bad idea and unimportant. I am not sexist, i just think.
     
  4. DoomsdayZach

    DoomsdayZach The Professor was right

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    Agreed!!!!!
     
  5. Ascension

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    +1...one can only hope for the best. But, I'm pretty sure that 6 or so months after BHO's inauguration...you won't be able to find anyone that voted for him. The exception will be those recieving the handouts.
    Yet, that's all your hearing about the event is that it's "historic"...even on this board. Not that his policies are going to make this a great country. Seems suspect.

    As far as history being made...it would have been made either way the election turned out.
     
  6. ABQShredHead

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    Thanks, Zach.

    The odds were all in favor of O winning. I will continue my worries for what "change" he will bring. I will continue to be scared of left-wing triumvirate running our country. Perhaps in two years, we will see where we stand.

    And as far as the "black" thing, Justice Tony Scalia put it best: "The only way to stop discriminating based on skin color is to stop discriminating on skin color". Loosely quoted, but I think that's the gist of it. I can say that I never saw him for the color of his skin, only for his policies, and they will continue to worry me for quite some time. As long as the Dems don't have 60 seats, there's some hope of checks and balances left.

    Definitely a historic change for the country. I don't put that on Obama's skin color, but for the new direction of this county. How he can reference the founders of our country at the beginning of his speech eludes me, since I see his policies quite contradictory to the founders' beliefs.
     
  7. Iced Dog

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    See, even people casually watching from half-way around the world see the same thing. I feel damn good right now...for the first time since 1996, I actually feel proud of my president-elect...quite refreshing :)
     
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    What a great night for America.

    It's interesting to see the cynics on this board downplaying what could possibly be the most substantial and impactful cultural event of our lifetime.

    He will make a great leader.
     
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    Glad Obama got in. Hope he can walk the walk as well as talk the talk. Time will tell I guess. :)
     
  10. Beelzebub

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    So I guess pages 1-59 of this thread don't count for anything?

    Well like I said before, it's mainly the pundits who feel the need to point out the obvious. I totally agree with you on this one though, and pretty much every election on TV is coupled with comments on how historic they are.
     
  11. Kenneth R.

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    Mostly I'm just excited that an educated, intelligent, positive person is President. We'll see what he does now, but if he's anything like his talk, American politics will never be the same - the bullshitting, the bigotry, the ignorance - all of them will fail.
     
  12. ABQShredHead

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    I think you got snowed, Ken. But, I hope you're right and I'm overly pessimistic. That would be a good thing.

    And, yeah, Zach, McCain's concession was great. I'll only ask where was that kind of speech two months ago?
     
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    You guys are the biggest haters I have ever seen in my life. Ultimate metal forums = hate all day & night.

    BTW

    BLACK POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Get used to it and stfu lol.
     
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    It's also interesting to see just how far people are overplaying the event itself. This is a "substantial and impactful" cultural event, no doubt about that. "Of our lifetime" is a bit much. Once again, I'm really not talking about the man or his policies here, just the image that people are building around a man who is probably going to act out a nice, extremely average 4-8 years in the White House.

    The comparisons I've heard to Martin Luther King Jr. are disturbing. The more we worship Obama as our new Syncopated-Speaking Jesus, the more everyone will be disappointed.

    We'll see about that. There is no doubt that the nature of Washington politics will be slightly different with Obama in office (and more so than if McCain were in office). However, the idea that bullshitting, bigotry, and ignorance will cease to run rampant in politics is completely false.
     
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    Fully agreed!

    While I can understand why it is historic I certainly did not vote for him because of his race. It is only a bonus that history was made in the process.

    I find it amusing that earlier on in this thread that I felt Obama was closer to the center than the left and now that is what all the pundits are saying after a year of calling him one of the most liberal democrats ever. Of course he acted like he was more to the left early on because he needed to get the democrat nomination, McCain did the same thing to get the republican nomination. If it wasn't for the bullshit two party system candidates wouldn't have to decieve who they are just to have a chance at the presidency. It was sad to see that there were like 8 other candidates on the ballot and I new absolutely nothing about them except of course a little about Ralph Nader.

    With the two party system I can never say that Obama or any other race winner was the best pick; however, I can certainly say that he is a better pick than any republican would be right now, and a person who is willing to try something diffent.
     
  16. ABQShredHead

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    My commemorative.

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  17. Marwen

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    I've been out today.
    So Obama won eh? Glad to see such intelligent and educated man as the leader, and happier I am to be able to say goodfuckinbye to that fucktard of president called Bush.
    Hope Obama will be up to our good expectations, and may the future be better to all of my American friends.

    To comment on the "ZOMG BARACK IS T3H BLACK...ZOMG HISTORY MAKING FTW LOLOLOLZ" thing:
    Grow up folks.

    +1

    +1000


    Cheers to all. :kickass:
     
  18. noble savage

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    Nerd!? Please tell me that was sarcasm? He is the anti nerd, if anything.
     
  19. Swabs

    Swabs HAHA COOL

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    I'm glad to see that for once America has made a logical decision.

    Edit: And what's all this shit about "Obama being the anti-christ who will bring the apocalypse! The Bible says so!". I mean seriously!? Is that how low some lunatic christians will go? It's pathetic.
     
  20. Marwen

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    lol yep.
    To avoid misinterpretations I'm editing my post and substituting "nerd" with a more appropriate term. :Smokedev:
     
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