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3 Clips, 3 Amps - You match 'em

Discussion in 'Andy Sneap' started by sah5150, Apr 17, 2006.

  1. sah5150

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    Ok, here's a little experiment. I have here three clips of part of one tune. Each clip is the exact same thing reamped through a different amp. The amps used were:

    Mesa Mark IV
    5150II (Rhythm channel boosted w/modded TS9)
    VHT UL

    Your mission (should you choose to accept it) is to match each clip to the amp it was recorded with and tell me which you prefer and why...

    And, yes, I know the drums suck. They are just there for mix reference...

    And yes, I know one of the clips was gated too aggressively with my Decimator on the stops, but I couldn't fix it with out reamping again and I don't have time now...

    The clips:

    http://members.cox.net/sahbob/ampone.mp3
    http://members.cox.net/sahbob/amptwo.mp3
    http://members.cox.net/sahbob/ampthree.mp3

    Have fun...

    Steve

    EDIT:

    Reverb has been removed from all clips
    New clip added that is a mix of a couple amps:

    http://members.cox.net/sahbob/ampmix.mp3
     
  2. Brett - K A L I S I A

    Brett - K A L I S I A Dreaded Moderator

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    I would say ampone is 5150 and is by the far the best (but please, don't put reverb on rhythm guitars !!!).
    Between Amptwo and ampthree, I don't know which one is the Mesa and the VHT, but they both sound terrible...
     
  3. GuitarMaestro

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    Amp 1 is definately the 5150. The other 2 sound nearly the same to me and I dont like them. I think the 5150 tone could be improved alot as well. What cab do you use? And which mics?
     
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  5. sah5150

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    Schecter Hellraiser 7 string on bridge pickup (EMG 707) ->

    Keeley-modded TS-9 ->
    Drive - 10 o'clock
    Tone - 10:30
    Level - 1 o'clock

    5150II ->
    Rhythm Channel
    Bright in
    Crunch in
    Pre - 7.4
    Low - 6.8
    Mid - 4
    High - 6.3
    Post - 3.4
    Resonance - 8.2
    Presence - 8.5

    Mojave 4x12 w/G12H30s ->

    Audix I5 ->
    SM57 ->
    Both mics about an inch or so from dead center of one speaker

    Recorder

    There were two different physical guitar performances, each of which was reamped and mic'd with both mics. Performance one of each mic was panned hard left. Performance two of each mic was panned hard right.

    All guitars bussed to the Waves C4 using a tweaked version of Andy's posted setting, a gate for noise and then out to the monitors. Added a small room reverb to drums and guitars and that is it.
     
  6. GuitarMaestro

    GuitarMaestro Member

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    Hmm....the settings you posted and your micing technique should yield a great sound for the 5150. Either the "G12H30s" sound bad (never used them) or your mic placement is bad. Try placing the mic with closed headphones for monitoring....the reamp box is the ideal tool here to let the amp play for itself while you place the mic....
     
  7. EtherForBreakfast

    EtherForBreakfast Hamster Style

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    I'd bet my grandmother that clip 1 is the fitty, and is def. the tone I prefer of the 3.

    The other two are very similar sounding, and if one of those is a MKIV, it's one of the shittiest MKIV clips I've heard because those amps are delicious when dialed in proper.
     
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    Razorjack Bass Behemoth

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    1 = 5150
    2 = Mark IV
    3 = Ultralead
     
  9. sah5150

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    Correct. Well done.

    Steve
     
  10. sah5150

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    I agree that the MKIV was dialed in poorly. It can sound WAY better than that, but that was what I had at this point...

    Steve
     
  11. sah5150

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    Yeah, the reamp box is great for this. What specifically are you hearing that you don't like on the 5150 clip. That would help me when experimenting again. It sounds pretty good to me and is the one I prefer of the three...

    Steve
     
  12. GuitarMaestro

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    It sounds quite hollow and thin to me with too much buzz/fizz and not enough basic tone/definition/body....But if you are happy with it thats what counts....
     
  13. sah5150

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    Well, I thought clip 1 sounded ok, but it isn't the end of my quest in terms of this kind of tone by any means. Maybe I'm nuts, but I really like the sound of Decapitated's guitars on Nihility. Especially the song "Spheres of Madness". If I could get close to that I'd be happy... I'm looking to improve, so all opinions (yes, even :puke: ) help me..

    Thanks!

    Steve
     
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    Like brett said, never use reverb on rhythm guitars, perhaps you could post clips without the reverb as its a little difficult to hear whats going on.
     
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    Ok, cool. I just replaced all the clips with versions that have no reverb. I also uploaded a new clip that is a mix of some of the amps...

    http://members.cox.net/sahbob/ampmix.mp3

    Steve
     
  16. Glenn Fricker

    Glenn Fricker Very Metal &Very Bad News

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    Were these recorded in your ISO box?
     
  17. sah5150

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    Yeah they were...

    Steve
     
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    Well, if im honest, something doesnt sound quite right, and like GuitarMaestro said previously, you should be getting alot better results with those settings you described. To me, its sound like the speaker is breaking up way too much, perhaps its torn, not sure.. do you have access to any other speakers?
     
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    Hmmm... I can check the speakers... I'd be surprised if anything was wrong with them though since I have been getting great results for other types of music... Maybe its the fact that these are G12H30s and they are not as suited to this kind of music... I was thinking about replacing a couple of speakers in my recording cab to have some different recording options so maybe I'll try a V30 and something else and see what happens then....

    Thanks,

    Steve
     
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    There's a lack of body in the three clip imo. Could this be caused by standing waves in the iso box? It would be interesting to hear it outside of the box.
     

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