I know Norwegian black metal has been talked to death before and blah blah bah, but I just want to point out how much similar it is to a scene a decade before it, hardcore. It's pretty obvious that punk had an influence on a few black metal artists, like darkthrone for example, and it's even more known how much punk has intertwined with metal before(and clashed for that matter). But one thing I've never seen anyone talk about before is how similar the black metal scene in the early 90s is to the hardcore scene in the early 80s. I guess in some ways they can't really compare considering black metal wasn't nearly as spread out and divided into various groups like early hardcore was. But let me point out a few things, both rebelled against society, both scenes were basically just a bunch of kids in their teens and early 20s, both rebelled strongly against popular music ideas(you have to be good at your instrument, having the best production, etc), so called normal people didn't listen to either genre(and looked down on the people who liked the music/were part of the scene) and finally various iconic figures clashed against each other. While I guess some of these points could be used for a majority underground music, these two scenes seem to share a lot more in common then people recognize or talk about.