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Discussion in 'Symphony X (Unofficial)' started by HeavyMetalLiker, Feb 16, 2004.

  1. HeavyMetalLiker

    HeavyMetalLiker New Metal Member

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    I heard this really terrible song on the radio. Its a Nelly song, and I hate Nelly I would like to hit him with a baseball bat on the nose. But that’s not the worst part. The beat was none other than Back in black by AC/DC. I know there are trying to recreate that aerosmith and run dmc thing but c'mon these two couldnt write a good song if God sent them the music for it in the mail. Why is AC/DC even considered as a legendary band, they pollute the air waves and Djs keep playing them because maniac 50 year old men still like them. And to make it worst they combined AC/DC with Nelly. God Help Us
     
  2. the_satanic_rabbit

    the_satanic_rabbit Return of Ganon

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    Doing that would only make him more popular because then he would have to put another band-aid on.
     
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    JHawk Dream Within A Dream

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    Britney doing Respect
    Metallica doing Turn The Page
    Madonna doing The Day The Music Died (or whatever the song is really called)
    Eminem using Aerosmith music
    ..and now, I add this to my list of reason why the world is going to hell..
     
  4. Lonnie Tate's Forearms

    Lonnie Tate's Forearms Here, gimme your dick....

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    I'm not sure how to take your post. In the case of Aerosmith and Eminem, yes that is very similar to the Nelly and AC/DC example, because in both cases, it's a combination of two shitty acts. The Madonna remake you mentioned should not have been done, and was one of the low points in music history. Britney doing respect, is that the Aretha Franklin song? Anyway, any cover she does is obviously going to suck. But where do you get off throwing Metallica into that list? They are actually a good band. From the look of your post, it almost seems as if you're implying that fucking Aerosmith is a better band than Metallica, and that is just total horse shit.
     
  5. Hyoukinmono

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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh that's rich! Moronica a good band!!! Oh, man, my gut hurts from laughing too hard.
     
  6. Lonnie Tate's Forearms

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    Damnit, Metallica bashing is becoming a little too trendy these simply because they are a popular band. They have put out some very crappy stuff, I admit, but they have also put out some great stuff so give it a rest. Otherwise I might be forced to unleash my mighty forearms on you. :tickled:
     
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    I agree with your other comparisons, but AC/DC wrote some classic hard rock/metal music in their day and are very worthy of the praise they receive. How can you deny these great songs their due:

    Dirty Deeds (Done Dirt Cheap)
    Let There Be Rock
    Highway to Hell
    For Those About To Rock, We Salute You
    Hells Bells
    Back In Black

    I won't mention "You Shook Me All Night Long" because that is one song that I think is highly overrated in the AC/DC catalog.

    Anyway, AC/DC "was" a great band once. They've not done much of anything good in the last 7 or 8 years, but they deserve the praise they are given for their early work.
     
  8. Taliwakker

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    The reason i picked up a guitar was Angus Young.....so for that i'm grateful.....when i was 14 Accadacca was cool.....now i'm 28 and have no desire to hear them ever again
     
  9. Platinum Maze

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    :lol:


    I have no desire to hear certain songs again (You Shook Me...), but for the most part, I still enjoy them.
     
  10. HeavyMetalLiker

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    are you serious? those songs represent the worst of everything, next thing you going to say is Rolling Stones are good right? What the hell is this new generation saying that all the shit they put out a thousand years ago still holds up, a 5th grader can learn to play those songs and probably be better at it.
     
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    Those songs you listed are good fun songs, but I think the reason for the backlash some have against them is they are viewed as this legendary band and many feel it's undeserved. I actually know HeavyMetalLiker, he's my friend here in Tucson. He has a particularly strong hatred for the Rolling Stones as you may have guessed, while I'm indifferent.

    I do get annoyed, however, by the tendency of people to have this older is better mentality! For example if you're taking a college class, 95% of the time the material you study will be at least 50 years old. It's as if no good work has been done since, whether the subject be music, literature, film, or pretty much any form of art. And then even worse is you have these goofs who think they are hot shit because they listen to classic rock like bob dylan(nothing against bob dylan I'm just using an example). The only thing I'd say is that the stuff they played on the radio was probably relatively better than what they play today, which is not exactly saying a whole lot.

    :yell: WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY NEXT RANT THAT JUST CAME TO MY MIND AGAIN. I CAN'T STAND WHEN PEOPLE CALL RAP HIP-HOP AND USE THE TERM LIKE IT'S SO DAMN INTELLECTUAL. IT'S PRETENTIOUS AS FUCK, AAAAAHHHHHHHHH! THEN IT'S THIS "HIP-HOP" THAT YOU HEAR THESE GOOFY ASS WANNABE HIPPY WHITE COLLEGE KIDS LISTENING TO, LIKE THE ROOTS. THE ROOTS ARE THE FUCKING WORST MAN!!!!!!!! I AM NOT ONE OF THESE RAP HATERS EITHER, I LIKE A LOT OF THE STUFF, JUST NOT THIS HIP-HOP CRAP. I WAS MORE INTO IT IN MY YOUNGER DAYS. BACK THEN EVEN THE RADIO PLAYED SOME GOOD STUFF. THE RAP YOU HEAR ON THE RADIO TODAY IS PRETTY MUCH THE EQUIVALENT OF NU-METAL. :yell:

    Now it's time to add some positivity to this post!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    :p :loco: ;) :tickled: :) :headbang: :cool: :D
    :wave:
     
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    You're right, Metallica bashing is getting too trendy. But I have to say that in my case it isn't a trend thing. I've thought that they were lame and silly and boring and juvenile and unoriginal from the very beginning (well, I thought that Kill 'em All was okay, but then Dave left/got fired). It's the new bashers that should be chastised, not people like me who have always hated Metallica because they suck. :D

    I won't bash them anymore here, though, since it looks like you're a fellow Tucsonan.:)

    And yeah, AC/DC has always been a fun band. Those of us that have been listening to them since the 70s have never thought that their songs were the most complex, but they've been pretty reliable. No doing some lame pounding on garbage cans garage band no production kind of thing. (Dang, I wasn't going to bash anymore. Sorry!)

    About the quality of stuff on the radio, I think it goes up and down. At the beginning of the 80s, for example, it was all Thompson Twins and Frankie Goes to Hollywood. (If you don't know either of those, count yourselves blessed!) The nightmare of nightmares for metalheads. But then in the mid-80s, metal got a lot of air time. Granted, a lot of it was kind of goofy, but at least there were things like good guitar solos and stuff like that. Then came Nirvana--the Kings of Mediocrity--to destroy all the good that had been done, and real melodies and guitar solos disappeared, and radio completely sucked again.

    We're due for another metal-on-radio era.
     
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    Who do you think they could have copied from, and your saying the Ride the Lightning wasnt as good as Kill'em All. SO YOUR SAYING THAT MASTER OF PUPPETS WAS BORING
    Your crazy!!!
     
  14. Hyoukinmono

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    Metallica started out as a decent, but mostly TYPICAL NWOBHM band, with some potential in Kill 'em All. That potential left and formed Megadeth. What was left was exactly what hundreds of bands were doing during that movement. Metallica was unique in that they were an American band that did a great job on marketing their generic NWOBHM product. They manufactured an image and sold it to kids that had crappy attitudes and were essentially unfamiliar with most of the metal scene and naturally those kids thought that Metallica was their messiah from the likes of Cindy Lauper and Duran Duran. Unimaginative melodies, low-tech solos, trailer-trash looks and attitude and a complete focus on money. Those are the things that have always defined Metallica. Don't be fooled by their hype machine.

    I'm not only saying that Master of Puppets was boring (as was Ride the Lightning), I'm also saying that And Justice for All, the black album, Load, Reload, etc., were boring. St. Anger, however, wasn't boring. It was absolutely hilarious.

    I'm not saying that people shouldn't like what Metallica has done. A lot of people enjoy their music. (I'd rather have them listen to Metallica than Beyonce...well, except for St. Anger. That's just plain wrong.) But that doesn't mean that they have (or had) any special talent. You're posting on a Symphony X board. You should know the difference!:)

    I'm not trying to bash, but I am trying to bring a little reality into the extremely romanticized version of early Metallica. The absolute horribleness of their recent releases makes their early stuff seem even better, but it really wasn't that good, especially when compared to the other things that were being released around the same time. (And I'm not talking about Bon Jovi...thought they could have taken a few lessons from Bon Jovi on melody...)
     
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    Yes, I am serious. Those songs represent a period in time that was very influencial to MOST of the true metal bands out there today. And what exactly are they the worst representation of, in your mind?

    And I never said that shit from a thousand years ago still holds up. I'm as scrutinizing as they come, so I won't give anyone their due just because other people think they are great. My best example is Led Zepplin and Pink Floyd. Zepplin was HUGE in their day and still are on every classic rock station in the world. I personally couldn't care less if I ever heard another Zepplin tune for the rest of my life. Floyd, on the other had, was big as well, but I still find their music interesting to this day. Does that make it better? Not in most people's opinions. And not that it matters, but I don't like the Rolling Stones either. None of their music is interesting to me in any way.

    And in regard to the fact that 5th graders might be able to play the songs, what the hell difference does that make? Since when does a song have to be hard to play to be good? It's about emotion and general attitude, not technicality.

    Getting back to the point, I think you're a little too worried about popular culture's use of "classic" songs. So you didn't like AC/DC, that's your right. But many people did and consider them a relevant influence to modern rock and metal, and for that they deserve the level of attention they are given. If you disagree, that's fine. Don't buy the product advertised in that commercial and get over it!
     
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    I think all you say is pretty childish, there's no reason to bash any old music or any old metallica, if you lived in the 60's you would have probably thought Rolling Stones are actually good, also metallica in the 80's. Music progress all the time, I think it progress to worse direction all the time (mainly because popularity and money is getting more important than music itself). Now go put your XXL pants on and listen to some eminem, heh
     
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    and those albums are....?

    It's obvious you have a fair amount of disdain for Metallica, so I'm not interested in changing your mind, or joining the bashing. I just want to hear these other albums that are so much better than Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning. I can't think of too many. I like them through The Black Album. Some of Load is OK, after that, they don't really interest me. I think their melodies were great, and their focus on money did not begin until sometime between 88-92.

    I like the Stones, Zep, and Floyd, but they all have songs that are/were just played to death.
     
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    Just a few points... i want to say that i didn't read all of this because to me it's just bullshit bullshit bullshit. Anyway, my few points are as follows:

    Mustaine did not play on Kill em All. he wrote about half of it, and he also wrote a bit of material that turned up on ride the lightning. He never did play on any studio releases of metallica's, though there are a few live bootlegs floating around.

    Second (and this is an oppinion, with a bit of truth to it), i can't see how anyone can say that AC/DC have not done anything good in the past 7-8 years. I don't fuckin' like the band, but the shit they have written in the past 7-8 years is the same shit they have written, because they never change. AC/DC and cannibal corpse are the same in that they have released the same album quite a number of times. Saying AC/DC hasn't written anything good lately is like a CC fan saying their last album wasn't as good as their other stuff.

    Finally, back to metallica, metallica bashing wouldn't be so popular/prevalant among metallheads if it had no merit. There is obviously a reason... it's called "Metallica's back catalogue", topped off with their latest album "St. Anger"
     
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    Well, I was already a metalhead when Metallica made their unimpressive debut, and I thought that they were pretty stupid all through the 80's. Worse in the 90's. The absolute worst now. Maybe if I had been an angry, malcontented teenager I would have liked them then, but I was already out of that phase and was focusing on the quality of the music instead, so I knew that they were mediocre behind the silly image.
     
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    Well, of course you've got the whole NWOBHM movement that was reaching maturity, so there's Iron Maiden (like I can listen to Metallica after listening to Powerslave and not laugh), Motorhead, and Saxon. Then we've got Anvil, Accept, Queensryche, Slayer, Mercyful Fate, Anthrax, Metal Church, Megadeth, Bathory, Testament, and Fates Warning just to name a few that issued releases between Kill 'em All and And Justice for All, by bands that actually had a reason to exist.

    And I don't think that even the staunchest Metallica fanboys would want me to contrast Kirk and James' pathetic "guitar playing" against Yngwie Malmsteen, Vinnie Moore, Tony MacAlpine, Dave Chastain, or any of the other shredmeisters that were putting out albums around that time.

    Then of course we've got AJFA, the album that really took Metallica's popularity worldwide. I hadn't heard this release for quite a few years, so I dug it out and listened to it again, to give it another chance.
    Unfortunately, I was merely reminded of why I was so incredibly bored by it when it first came out.

    1. Monotonous, uninteresting riffs
    2. Unimpressive solos
    3. Boring melodies
    4. Stupid lyrics

    I felt like I should judge it in its context, instead of against current releases by current bands, so I pulled a random selection of albums released right about the same time as AJFA, and gave them a listen. AJFA couldn't hold its own at all. It was kind of funny, and kind of sad. I actually felt sorry for them, trying to look so tough in the liner photos.
    There were so many bands that were so much better at the time, that it's no wonder that AJFA didn't have a chance when it came to heaviness, intensity, melody, and technical skill.

    The CDs I sampled were only a VERY small selection (since there are only so many hours I can spend just listening to music), but they are rather diverse.

    Blind Guardian-Battalions of Fear
    More intensity on this one than Metallica could ever muster. PLUS good guitar work, not just mindless, empty riffing. And hey, what's this? Melody, too. Oh, and they even got better.

    Cacophony-Speed Metal Symphony
    Obviously Marty and Jason's guitar work is going to make James and Kirk look stupid, but there is more heaviness and aggression than anywhere on AJFA as well.

    Rage-Perfect Man
    Look here! Once again we have some intensity with melody! And even with the foreign language barrier, the lyrics are interesting. And Kirk isn't worthy to lick Manni Schmidt's boots. I would say that Lars could take some drum lessons with this one, too, but he isn't even good enough to learn from it.

    Impellitteri-Stand in Line
    Of course with Master Shredder Chris Impellitteri on board, Kirk and James don't have a chance (is there a pattern here?). Melody, shred, and good thump and crunch.

    Racer X-Live-Extreme Volume
    This would saw the heads off Metallica. Two insane guitarists, a future Judas Priest drummer, and a wild man bassist. What? Is that talent in the band? Oh, no! Metallica down another point. A bit of excess done WELL.

    Heaven's Gate-In Control
    Speed, aggression, melody, humor, technique. AND it's a debut release.

    Pretty Maids-Future World
    A TRUE classic of melodic metal. See? It's not so hard to mix intensity and melody!

    Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force-Odyssey
    Joe Lynn Turner's vocals obviously give this a more commercial flavor, but for the most part the songs themselves are aggressive AND melodic AND have some pretty great guitar work on them. Yngwie uses Metallica discs for skeet shooting.

    Van Halen-OU812
    Okay, we mellow out quite a bit here, but there are some great melodies on this, some great guitar work, and as usual, it's fun to listen to. Plus, they don't try to pretend they're tough for band photos.

    Helloween-Keepers of the Seven Keys-Part II
    Like I can listen to AJFA after listening to this! Massacres AJFA in all areas.

    And I didn't even pull Anthrax, Megadeth, or Testament off the shelf.

    Seriously, with so many other better things to listen to, why would I have listened to AJFA? Why would I ever listen to Metallica at all? I seriously gave them a chance back then, and since, but they always lose out.

    For the kids who knew nothing else but Bon Jovi, Poison, Guns and Roses, Warrant, and stuff like that, Metallica may have been an important find, but for those of us who listened to a lot of other bands, Metallica was never impressive. I think of them as the Bon Jovi of metal.

    So how could I NOT have been bored to death by And Justice for All?!?!?!

    AJFA did have a nice, crisp sound, though. Have to thank Flemming Rasmussen for that. At least they picked a decent producer THAT time...
     

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