Alright, so I've been swamped and completely flaked on getting back to this thread. Honestly, the best way I to understand what i'm trying to get across is by reading this short essay: http://cryptogon.com/docs/pirate_insurgency.html Obviously it goes well beyond the scope of audio production, but if you learn about electronic piracy than this is a must read. While you may think something looks like "another wimpy excuse mixed with pseudo-revolutionary nonsense" it does not make it so. At what point does pseudo-revolutionary become revolutionary? When there's casualties? I would argue that when the tactics become effective then it ceases to be "pseudo" and becomes real. Clearly electronic pirates have been extremely successful at what their aiming to do. I don't think anyone can deny that. Hell the Pirate Party in Sweden even got seats in their parliament. However, not all pirates are driven by ideology. Some people do it just for the fun of it and don't care about anything beyond that; and in some cases it's even extremely profitable. For example, in cities like Hong Kong there's lots of shopping malls dedicated almost entirely to selling pirated software/music/dvds/porn/electronics. It was well known that most of those operations are were run by the Triads, which was why the stores would be up and running again the next day after a police raid. For them it's just another racket like prostitution, drugs, gambling, loansharking etc. And as for "the market isn't set up so that everyone can dick around as they please", are you talking about the music production industry or are you talking about the larger, macro-economic concept of the "free market"? One could even argue that piracy is the logical outcome of the free market. I'm not going to make that argument since i don't fully agree with it, but i can understand where that person would be coming from. I can think of plenty of situations where theft is justified (admittedly, a lot of these situations include some kind of prior offense). Either way, that is irrelevant since justification is almost entirely objective. And it doesn't matter whether you can justify someone's actions, it matters that the person committing the act can justify it. If they can justify their actions, then they will carry them out. And as far as I can tell, human beings can justify just about anything. For example: the holocaust, the inquisition, the rwandan massacre or any of the other way to numerous and heinous incidents in history.