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Discussion in 'Symphony X (Unofficial)' started by mark b, Mar 20, 2008.

  1. Kenneth R.

    Kenneth R. Cináed

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    Their first album is significantly different from the rest. If you'd bothered to check before judging. At any rate, your argument might work for some kinds of jobs (even that is debatable, as people can view programming or law or medicine as a creative art form too) but it certainly holds no weight in music.
     
  2. schenkadere

    schenkadere Obey my dog!

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    Do you work for a living? Not being a wise ass...are you responsible for others with your paycheck? If and when you are, you'll understand that it's not always about integrity. That's a fantasy world.

    Musician's need to eat like everyone else. More than once the choice of commercial success over art has won out. It's not necessarily, "selling out"...it's just making a living.

    Again, if I find no appeal in all I've heard, why would I take the time to explore further. I'm not interested in Nickelback's first album.

    It's a lucky man that loves what he does for a living. Some folks have no choice but to go to jobs they hate...join the real world.
     
  3. schenkadere

    schenkadere Obey my dog!

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    What exactly is my argument...I don't believe you're seeing it.

    No. 1-it's not an argument...just voicing my feelings. Making a living isn't "selling out"...it's surviving.
     
  4. Kenneth R.

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    Oh man, your patronizing knows no bounds.

    1. Yes, I work.
    2. Yes, the importance of my work affects other people close to me.

    So next time you lecture to the choir, be aware. Commercialism isn't such a great thing as you champion it to be. Like I already said, some people are content to eat shit every day and live with a job they hate, or just don't have interest in.

    What you're failing to understand is that this "real world" and that "fantasy world" are in fact the same world, and what distinguishes them is the mindset of the individual in question. Some cave, others don't. Maybe you're just desperately trying to save your worldview from the realization that you're working a job you don't like, when others aren't. Sucks man.
     
  5. Kenneth R.

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    Your argument is that business takes precidence.

    Making a living is one thing. What you're talking about is something else, and it's rather disgusting. Most bands don't "make a living" off music. They have day jobs. They only "make a living" after they've already hit it big. At that point, you don't have to worry about money. Selling out is the greedy aspect of "I'm already popular, how can I maximize cash flow regardless of what kind of music I actually want to make?"
     
  6. Meedleyx10

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    -The problem with the whole "...failure at attempt..." thing is that only one person can determine exactly whether or not an attempt failed and that is the person who conceived it in the first place, as they are the only person who truly knows what the vision/goal was
    -All music is subjective. Of course music can be analyzed in certain respects using theory and various types of comparative analysis, but when it comes down to determining the quality of a piece of music it is purely, 100% subjective. It's a perception and a person can only give an objective analysis as it pertains to themselves.
    - Borders? Sure, but those borders can and do vary from person to person
    -If you still don't get the whole good/popular thing, then I give up because there's simply no easier way I can put it than how I already did. Just let it go because you obviously aren't seeing my point and probably wont. I really have no interest in wasting time trying to explain this to you while this thread turns into official DT thread 2.0.

    EDIT: about the condescdending thing....I apologize for that to a limited extent and didn't entirely mean to come off that way. You've never indicated that you're capable of debating in a civil manner so I guess it's just a conditioned response. I shouldn't let myself be brought down to the point of doing that though...
     
  7. DoomsdayZach

    DoomsdayZach The Professor was right

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    Yeah, but i can talk shit if they don't live up to MY expectations of what his vision or goal should have been :D
     
  8. Meedleyx10

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    damn right you can
     
  9. schenkadere

    schenkadere Obey my dog!

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    Nope...never said business comes first...I said that's the choice some make. You're judging the reasons they may do so.

    I actually dig my job...thanks...I know many people who do not.
     
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    schenkadere Obey my dog!

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    Said I wasn't being a wise ass. How do I know you're not some 16 year old kid without a grasp of anything real?

    You seem awfully snippy, miserable and self righteous for someone with so much integrity and is so happy in their chosen profession.

    I didn't champion commercialism...simply said you can't presume to understand why people make the decisions they do, artists or not. You skew everyones words to suit your soapbox stand........as usual.
     
  11. Kenneth R.

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    Not snippy. Cynical and without remorse for bullshit and ignorance. I'll address the other comments later, as I have more to my life than this often pathetic, often amusing forum.
     
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    schenkadere Obey my dog!

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    No need to address anything...I've lost interest.

    Unfortunately anything opposed to your opinion you consider ignorance...and all discussions don't need to be confrontational and "bullshit". You tend to make them that way.

    I wouldn't think a cynic would be so concerned with artisitc integrity...somehow doesn't fit.

    If you have more in life than this forum, then hopefully we'll that post count level out.

    Face the facts, Kenneth...you suffer from a medical condition known as "dick"...seek help, it can prove fatal.


    Peace!
     
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    EDIT: nevermind...I'm not going to go down that road
     
  14. mark b

    mark b Prog 4 ever. Australia!!!

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  15. Kenneth R.

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    :lol:This reads to me like "I'm quitting". Well, jolly good.
     
  16. DoomsdayZach

    DoomsdayZach The Professor was right

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    So did your comment :erk:
     
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    I like all music, and yes that includes rap music.. some forms of country.. and maybe even a little bit of acoustic rock. But most of what I like to listen to is primarily metal, guitar based music, and classical music.

    I'm the most diverse music listener on this forum.
     
  18. Kenneth R.

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    Oh no, I'm still here waiting to eviscerate the words of anyone who thinks "good" music is somehow correlated to "popular" music. There is no positive relation, nor opposite relation. Thus by definition, there is no relation. Meedley still thinks that because I disagree with him, I'm somehow not understanding his sooooo complicated intellect. He just can't accept that my differing yet informed opinion exists. And Schenkadere is just a dick. A dick that loves money. Kind of like Tommy Lee or Gene Simmons. I also am amused at his remark about the supposed lack of a connection between artists and cynics. That's the joke of the week.

    Debating here isn't even fun anymore. Whatever happened to the posters who could actually present an argument, evidence, read a refute, come up with a counterpoint, and do so in an adult fashion? This playpen is no fun. :erk:

    Edit: And of course, the predictable reply (if there is one) to this is going to be "you said adult fashion! But you're calling us names. Waaah!." Well it is a playpen. You can't use adult-speak to teens. That or "I know you are but what am I" like the last page of this thread. Or maybe the classic "Your momma!" At least that would be a bit more amusing.
     
  19. proulxski

    proulxski Welcome To Kanata Eh!

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    Nine Inch Nails has some beastie boy moments :)

    Oh and Zach I love that song lol "you gotta fight, for your right, to PART--EEEEEEEH!"
     
  20. DoomsdayZach

    DoomsdayZach The Professor was right

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    If i ever meet you, i'm going to give you a hug. Fair warning. it won't be gay.... until i go for a handful o dat ass ;)
     

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