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Discussion in 'Symphony X (Unofficial)' started by Yngtchie Blacksteen, May 26, 2005.
yeah, someone should delete this entire thread.
The music in the part "Medicate me Infiltrate me Side effects appear As my conscience slips away" of the Octavarium song, reminds me the Spice Girls' "Too much" song "Too much of nothing is just as tough, I need to know the way to feel to keep me satisfied"
Maybe the band shouldn't set us up to expect something "progressive" then, because from what I remember of the hyping up the album, the band said things like not to expect more ToT-like material, and to expect something new and therefore progressive. Progressive this is not. Good music this is not. I don't have to like it just because it's Dream Theater.
It's funny you mentioned Metallica and orchestra, because this is exactly what the orchestra on Octavarium sounds like.
No, that's not what I'm calling progressive. Just to lay down a few bands I would call progressive (not "prog" note, but progressive):
Pain Of Salvation
That's real progressive music, just in case you thought I meant I wanted Dream Theater to sound like Symphony X or something, not that I don't enjoy Symphony X.
And my comment about the orchestra was spawned by this:
And also of course because of the "omg dream theater used an orchestra, so progressive omg" raving I've seen.
IMO, thesedays it's very hard to define what's progressive or not, so you shouldn't just go and say "That's real progressive music" since there's kind of power and technical metal too in your list, some of them might not be any more real progressive than DT.
This thread is moronic and completely unnecessary.
Real progressive means they're doing new things for music. All of those bands are. You can have influences and still do new things obviously.....but Dream Theater doesn't do this.
Progressive is a term, nowdays, that describes a genre...get over it. Everything needs a lable these days, proven by this thread of what is or isn't progressive, and the genre of music that bands like DT, and others, fall into is the prog-metal genre.
I've seen this same kinda discussion on prog-rock boards, by those up-tight snobs. Spock's, or Marillion, or IQ, aren't progressive because they're not doing anything new blah, blah fuckin' blah. If you like something listen to it...if you don't great. Who cares what what you call 'it'.
Now, the real burning question is - what differentiates 'Hair Metal' from 'Glam Metal'? Discuss.
Here's the summary of this thread:
1.Some people like Octavarium
2.Some people don't like Octavarium
3.Some people like talking about Dream Theater on a Symphony X board.
Hair is 80's metal in which the hair was teased up...Glam was 70's rock with an asexual look and sung very androgenously.
I've mentioned this. Yes, prog-metal is a genre. The most obvious bands in this genre are Dream Theater, and the many Dream Theater clones, just check many of the "prog" bands that have performed at Prog-Power to see this.
However, progressive music does not equate to "prog" or "prog-metal." It means exactly what it says.
*sigh* Jesus Christ I'm getting sick of this argument.
Bands like DT progress structurally and stylistically within each song. Bands like Arcturus progress stylistically from album to album.
Both are progressive, in different ways.
Face it none of you know how to listen to a new disc the correct way! LOL
What does John Zorn sound like and if there are multinple discs available which is the best to start with?
John Zorn is an avant-garde musician. If you like people/groups like Mike Patton, Mr. Bungle, Fantomas, Secret Chiefs 3, Estradasphere, Trevor Dunn, he's a big influence on all of them, and in fact has worked with Mike Patton, Trevor Dunn, and Trey Spruance quite a bit.
I'd check out this site (down at the moment), it does a great job of explaining his different projects and describing most of his albums, so just pick one you like the description of, and try it......I kind of randomly started out with 'Spillane' and really loved that.
Barking Pumpkin - I think we're very much in agreement with regards to what bands are actually progressive (although I don't know everyone on that list).
But I really fail to see why you are expecting this type of innovation from DT anymore.
Funny, everything I heard from the band was that this was more of a throw back to the older melodic style of DT, and I think that was pretty accurate.
I certainly don't look for DT to innovate like Devin or POS or Sigur Ros, I look for them to play their own brand of prog metal, and it certainly seems like that's what they did on Octovarium.
I don't think DT has progressed structurally at all
Well, 'prog' is just progressive shortened...like S:X is just Symphony X shortened.
That was a rhetorical question meant to bring levity to a subject that people get too emotional and serious about. But you didin't answer the question. You're talking about 70's glam rock, I asked the difference between Glam Metal & Hair Metal.
Thanks Barking Pumpkin...