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drum production : my humble beginnings (real drums, no samples)

Discussion in 'F.O.H.' started by Djabthrash, Oct 24, 2017.

  1. Djabthrash

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    Hi !

    It's been years since i've posted on this forum.

    Back then i was trying to get a decent guitar tone, and practicing mixing with programmed bass (Trilian) and programmed drums (Superior Drummer 2).
    Since then, i've bought a real bass and also started playing drums, and now i'm trying to get into the drums recording thing by myself, and be able to record a full rock band (drums, bass, guitars, vocals) by myself.

    My goal is first to get decent mixes for demos (for my band where i play bass, but also friend's bands, covers, and also my one-man-band solo projects), get better as a drummer (drum tuning, consistency, tone, chops, ...), get better at recording and mixing (I'd like to tech and do live sound for small bands when i will feel ready).
    In a second time, i might get results that are good enough to do this (drum recording and/or mixing) for bigger productions (actual EPs and albums), but that's too far right now.

    So the goal of this thread is to follow my humble beginnings in drum production, where i do everything myself (playing, recording, mixing), and use only natural drums, no samples, and don't quantize stuff like a mo'fo.

    I start with humble means :
    - booking time in a random rehearsal space and using the drum kit from there
    - using only a zoom H6 to record the kit (the Zoom built-in XY capsule as a somewhat overhead pair, and 4 Audix spot mics (D6 for kick, i5 for snare, D2 for rack tom, D4 for floor tom), with my laptop to monitor tracking (the zoom H6 plays the role of audio interface)
    - i have a mobile and low-footprint setup (all the gear i bring with me to the rehearsal studio where i track (double-kick pedal, zoom h6, audix mics, mic clamps, cable, small laptop) can be carried on a bike (one backpack on my back, and 2 bags on the bike front basket))

    So basically i'm like a Youtube drummer with a modest acoustic kit and recording setup, that goes to a random rehearsal space to record drums there, using the (affordable if not cheap, and not well-tuned when i find it) in-house kit that's available on the day i book the session.

    I've read the OzNimbus drums guide, and i've read/seen tons of material about drum playing, drum tuning, drum tracking and mixing subject, but as said before, i don't play in the same field as those professionals and i've just started into doing this stuff myself, and with very humble means, so that's what this thread will be about, in the beginning at least.

    Of course I'd love to get feedback from you guys so that i can improve my craft.

    Last but not least, ff this thread can show some that you can get decent results with very humble means, and inspire some to start drum tracking by themselves, I will ve very happy !

    Sorry for my broken English !
     
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    I really like it, the song itself, and the production, only thing i would question is, is the bass a tad too loud? i don't know maybe it isn't, but i'd adjust that a little!
     
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    @IbanezDave : thank you !

    Actually this is just a cover song medley, of the song "no questions" by the NYHC band RAG MEN.

    About the bass, i think the low-end is fine or could even come up a bit in volume, but the rest of the bass (mids and treble) could come down a bit maybe.

    My other feeling is that guitars are a tad too loud but i lack perspective about that.
     
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    Check for the snare mids and high end, is lost and dull. I like the kick and cymbals

    Check the relation between bass and kick, there are some masking frequencies happening
     
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    @allanqa : thanks for the feedback, i'll look into it !

    When you talk about masking frequencies between bass and kick i guess you are talking about lows and low mids, right ?
     
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    Yo !

    I've been intrigued by the snare side miking (= close-miked with a SM57 pointing at the shell of the snare drum) and finally decided to give it a shot.

    Here are 3 different song ideas (in their early stage, not played well by the band yet), where i tracked the drums live in their rehearsal room (while the full band was playing at the same time). Don't mind the kick sound, it was hard to come up with anything good since the kick drum resonant head had no hole, and i just quickly put a mic in front of the batter head. I'm pretty sure you can get something workable this way, but it was done in a hurry this time, just to have somewhat of a close-miked kick track to play with.

    What is your opinion on this snare sound ? :

    MIX :

    SONG 1 : https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mqzrbr21...epet20180510_02b_Deathking9_04_MIXV1.mp3?dl=0

    SONG 2 : https://www.dropbox.com/s/98hliaooo...8_RecRepet20180510_03a_Hard_04_MIXV1.mp3?dl=0

    SONG 3 : https://www.dropbox.com/s/m0hum2b8x...ecRepet20180510_04_OldSkank_03_MIXV1.mp3?dl=0

    And just for comparison, here's the STATIC MIX (no FX anywhere, only balanced levels and phase flip when needed) :

    SONG 1 : https://www.dropbox.com/s/jprolng3j...cRepet20180510_02b_Deathking9_04_MAP.mp3?dl=0

    SONG 2 : https://www.dropbox.com/s/vmze7sih01pukyy/MxA_Preprod2018_RecRepet20180510_03a_Hard_04_MAP.mp3?dl=0

    SONG 3 : https://www.dropbox.com/s/rw21xu669..._RecRepet20180510_04_OldSkank_03_MAP.mp3?dl=0

    Next time the tracking will be made in a more serious manner (i will mic the kick properly, with a B91 inside the bass drum, and a D6 at the hole, and i will also mic the rest of the band (bass thru SansAmp DI, guitars thru e906s on cabs, vocals thru SM58)), and i will post it here.

    This was just a quick try to start somewhere.
     

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