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Getting your loudness?

Discussion in 'F.O.H.' started by Ice Man, Jan 21, 2007.

  1. CJWall

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    sounds really fucking good dude, a little dark, but very well done.

    Are the drums programmed? Snare sounds like something from DFHS, but I dig it!
     
  2. joeymusicguy

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    most certainly

    i hate drummers and drums and acoustics and the stress to go along with it
     
  3. CJWall

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    haha, right on dude. If I could convince the bands I work to program their drums, I'd be in heavvven.

    Most people won't notice the difference anyhow.

    Rock.
     
  4. Brett - K A L I S I A

    Brett - K A L I S I A Dreaded Moderator

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    I love recording GOOD drummers and get a good sound out of them, it's so much more gratifying than programming... And it doesn't even compete with the quality.
     
  5. LSD-Studio

    LSD-Studio HCAF crusher

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    +1 (although most drummers i gotta record are not that good ;) ).
    I don't even own EZ or something...also don't I own a POD, so I'm not tempted...
    no matter how bad the guitarist or drummer might be, that way I gotta fuck around with the amp, drumtuning and mics etc....and I learn something everytime I do that.
    I somehow like the idea of transducing soundwaves into electricity and not just emulate that.. ;)

    another advantage..it feeds my GAS...I'm happy any time I can afford a new mic and throw it on a drumkit or something ;)

    also do I prefer a good ESP over any variax..for me the same thing :)
     
  6. Sloan

    Sloan Sounds like shit!

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    werd.

    i can see how in metal production, the emulation is good.
    but, personally, i prefer really gritty, nasty live takes. mmmm.
     
  7. Glenn Fricker

    Glenn Fricker Very Metal &Very Bad News

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    Pretty good thread here... maybe it should be stickied in the production tips forum?
     
  8. BloodyMurderKaraoke

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    Please people, carry on. Talk amongst yourselves. I'll just lurk here
     
  9. JBroll

    JBroll I MIX WITH PHYSICS!!!!

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    I... should probably be on medication for that whole Smurf thing... if someone fixes that up to be less bizarre, I'm sure this thread is stickable.

    Jeff
     
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    +1000
     
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    I just got on here, but I have to agree with the clipping technique. I take my mixed 2 track and import it into a new session. I crank the fader on that mix +6db and send it into an aux. This aux has gclip on it and an L2. The L2 is set for -.02 and the threshold is pulled down 1db at the most. I can get my mixes at 9 to 10 RMS and I dont lose any transients this way.


    Also, my mixes never clip. It's the way to go for me.
     
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    good to hear you guys are getting use out of this. I've put my foot in some other forums and have talked about clipping in order to acheive loudness without losing transients and I got shot at.
     
  13. BloodyMurderKaraoke

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    The Internet is a wonderful place. I can't tell you how many times I've read "OMGZ NEVER USE TEH COMPRESSION" and "EQ IS FOR NUBZ"
     
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    i've found that i like to put the bass track and the drum kit on one compressor together, just a tiny bit can glue things up nicely

    i usually don't have much going on with the rhythm guitars either, if there are some killer peaks i'll tame those a bit but even after compression they still exist...if there are no peaks it's usually more than i want
     
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    btw, there's some really interesting info in this thread...i need to hang around here more :kickass:
     
  16. jesus69lol

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    I know already this is a stupid newbie question but I'm gonna ask because I need to know: in my nuendo files I always seems to have the master track cranked down like 10db to prevent that damn clipping thing from going off, is this normal?
     
  17. JBroll

    JBroll I MIX WITH PHYSICS!!!!

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    You need to crank down the individual peaky tracks in order for that not to be an issue. That's not normal, get the levels of everything else down with limiters and compressors - you shouldn't have to do that.

    Jeff
     
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    Thanks for all the tips! Here's my crack at it:

    http://www.upload.celtiaproductions.co.uk/uploads/bloodymurderhomemaster.mp3

    Pics:
    http://picasaweb.google.com/justinxxvii/114RMS


    The large picture that spans two monitors is the mastering session. First I used Ozone for a slight EQ adjustment and a small amount of multiband compression to tame the lows a little, and a hair in the mids and upper mids as well.

    Then I inserted a single band compression to just slightly compress the entire track. After that I used two instances of GClip back to back, each with a slight boost. Then I used two L3 maximizers, the first had a threshold of 7 and the second a threshold of 3. Then I put one more GClip with 1% of clip and a .3 boost, and at the very end I used a final L3 with a threshold of .2 and my dithering set.

    This is my first attempt at this, and I think the end result sounds pretty good for my inexperience. I've done some other home made projects and my RMS was always like -19 before I started hearing a lot of squashing and gain reduction.

    I plan on really getting the hang of this though, I'm excited to see that I can push the mix into "near radio friendly" levels, whereas before I had to turn up the CD player any time I stuck one of my mixes in! This is super cool!

    I know to a trained professional my mix might sound like ass but I am pretty hyped about it.

    This is basically a project for me to take songs I enjoy to karaoke bars to scream to, because karaoke studios don't touch lots of the stuff I enjoy
     
  19. JBroll

    JBroll I MIX WITH PHYSICS!!!!

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    The clip is much more important than settings and photos; it's much better to have a good but quiet mix than a loud and shitty mix - I don't know about you, but my stereo only has a 'volume' knob and not a 'fix that bloody clipping, for fuck's sake' knob...

    Jeff
     
  20. BloodyMurderKaraoke

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    but this thread is called Getting your Loudness!
     

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