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IN FLAMES new album being released by the end of 2016

Discussion in 'In Flames' started by PlainVanilla, Feb 1, 2016.

  1. eochaid

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    Can the
    Can the computer be considered an official member right now or should we have to wait for another album.

    Niklas just released a side band and he said that he is working on material for that side band. So I don't know how much hesh going to be involved in the new album.
     
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    Like it or not they are a legitimate band. Those who left left. And Anders and Björn have the right, or rights, to keep on with the band's name, even if I dontd like it, even if theyret throwing shit to what they once were.
     
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    He cowrote some songs in battles.
     
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    ThatsT not fair. Peter and Daniel never wrote shit.
     
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    Except for iron maiden.
     
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    Anders needs attention. This is why he keeps on with the band's name.
     
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    I think that this is just too much for him. ItsI not only that he's lazy. It's that he doesn't seem to be used to be the guy with the ideas. He was probably comfortable following Jesper and now hesh comfortable following Anders.

    It's embarrassing seeing some videos of him talking about how to play the new stuff and saying things like this sounded better on my mind or you will surely play it better than I do.
     
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    It's evident that's a producer's album.
     
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    Yeah, but what specifically? He has songwriting credits but it's hard to see any of his influence in Battles.

    I addressed that in another reply. I'm aware they never wrote anything specifically, but Daniel had a specific style which was apparent on albums like Clayman, Come Clarity and SOAPF. Peter could admittedly have been replaced by a robot clone and nobody would have noticed, but even that would be more legit than Bryce Paul.

    I really don't know. I assume he was the driving force for SOAPF on an instrumental level, so he clearly does have it in him to produce something that sounds consistently good. SC was all over the place instrumentally though, somehow it was both boring and had poor structural choices. Battles played it safe and the structure of the songs was OK (I'm guessing Benson helped with that) but it was still boring. Bjorn is unquestionably a talented guitar player, and SOAPF showed he can create something good. We can only guess as to the extent of his participation in creating anything before Jesper left. Judging by the distinct difference in sound post-ASOP I think it's clear that Jesper had a very strong influence though.
     
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    I agree, I'm not a huge fan of Engelin's work either. I just don't hear anything in Battles that would be his influence.

    It feels like Bjorn can come up with a decent riff here and there (intros to a lot of the new songs feature some good ones) but he really struggles with verses and chorus. Sometimes that's because Anders' voice takes over entirely, but a lot of the time it feels like the instruments and vocals are doing two separate things. It's something that was really apparent on SC. Less so on SOAPF or Battles, but I'd guess that's because Battles actually had a producer who gave a shit and told them when they were doing something wrong. Bergstrand/Langhi either didn't give a shit or just did a really bad job producing SC.

    I guess the difference between riffs being recycled on SOAPF (and a lot of IF post-2000 albums) is that the riffs were good, so it's OK. Since then there's been a serious decline in quality. He was even desperate enough to reuse the Black & White intro riffs nearly identically for the beginning of Everything's Gone.
     
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    To be fair, the same happens with bjorn:p

    Yes, though style is robo-daniel playing drums. I agree with the second part. The chose of the new band members seem to have behind a commercial intention more than a musical intention.

    Maybe he was a one time star? Since then he's repeating old band riffs is copying another bands.

    As I said, he suggested that the people watching his how to play videos on YouTube could play the new songs better that he does... Even if he's talented being lazy makes no good to his skills as a musician, or so it seems. And his skills as a live solo guitar player are not the best.

    Lets admit that, as much as I like soapf you don't need to be a genius to create those songs.
     
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    Every time you hear that wanky 'wahhhh' solo 3/4 through the song you know that's Bjorn.
     
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    Because he's lazy and the wahh allows him to cover his mistakes. I'm talking about the riffs. It could be Björn or any fan that they hired to make the music. There's no personality at all.
     
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    Yeha, but there isn't even a solo where you could say "that's Engelin". At least with Bjorn you can hear a solo and say "yep, that's our Bjorn, shit stupid wanky solo".

    Ps I just noticed the ratings for SC and Battles on SputnikMusic.

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    lol :D and the actual staff reviews are actually lower, 1.5/5 for each album.

    Siren Charms:

    Brutal :D but true.

    Savage indeed.

    Battles:

    Yeah that's about right :D

    Oh, and that weird EP they did with the stupid covers on got 1.5/5 too :D user rating actually lower at 1.4.

    I do love me some modern IF bashing.
     
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    I don't think that he's allowed to play solos when hesh barely allowed to record his riffs for the albums. If I remember right bjorn played all the guitars in soapf and the most of them in SC.

    Brutal. The albums are bad but the ep is vomit that only hardcore fanboys seem to appreciate. The reviewer talks about hurt but what they did to down in a hole is even worse.

    Edit: "sickening cheesy ballad" :rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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    The real In Flames made decent covers, this quasi-cover band with Anders' clean singing twin? No thanks. I'd rather listen to Slave talk about how great he is for whatever the duration of the EP is.
     
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    Decent point. But also part of my other point. Even Peter and Daniel aren’t original members despite being around for half the golden years.

    Bjorn was the drummer all the way through Whoracle. Best memorable drumming I remember actually was Whoracle. Drums stand out in a good way. Daniel’s talents were NEVER used, even though he had a proper black metal background and could do blast beats in his sleep. Certainly he was capable and did a good job, but he could have done much much more.

    Peter didn’t join until after Whoracle as well. I don’t remember any memorable In Flames bass licks ever, before or after Peter.

    In Flames was always about the guitar + vocals. Once Bjorn moved to guitar (got “promoted”) core writing was down to Jesper Anders Bjorn. That was more than 20 years ago. Then Jesper left 10 years ago.

    Not fair to Daniel and Peter but they were screwed out of creative input from day one.
     
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    Hell, even Bjorn didn’t write the guitar riffs that built In Flames career. He didn’t start on guitar until Colony, which admittedly is an amazing album, but TJR and Whoracle are more fundamental albums to their sound.
     
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    Daniel and Peter ultimately put in the time, effort and miles to pull IF from underground act to mainstream metal stars. Irrespective of their creative input you've gotta call them legit for the work they put in if nothing else.

    If CJ and Bryce Paul do 20 years then ok, but it'll only be two decades of the band's legacy being flushed down the toilet. It's not their fault, but they are still symbolic of everything that's dragged this band into the gutter.
     
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    And that's all true.
     

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