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Islamic Emigration Is for waging Jihad

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    Islamic emigration is solely for waging jihad against the host country. They come here to kill you and me and everyone else. Here's the proof from their own sources.

    Noble Qur'an 4:100 The Women (Madinah Period),

    "He who emigrates (from his home) in the Cause of Allah, will find on earth many dwelling places and plenty to live by. And whosoever leaves his home as an emigrant unto Allah and His Messenger, and death overtakes him, his reward is then surely incumbent upon Allah. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."


    Corpus of Translations:

    Abdullah Yusuf Ali,

    "He who forsakes his home in the cause of Allah, finds in the earth Many a refuge, wide and spacious: Should he die as a refugee from home for Allah and His Messenger, His reward becomes due and sure with Allah: And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful".

    M.Pickthall,

    "Whoso migrateth for the cause of Allah will find much refuge and abundance in the earth, and whoso forsaketh his home, a fugitive unto Allah and His messenger, and death overtaketh him, his reward is then incumbent on Allah. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful".

    Saheeh International,

    "And whoever emigrates for the cause of Allah will find on the earth many [alternative] locations and abundance. And whoever leaves his home as an emigrant to Allah and His Messenger and then death overtakes him - his reward has already become incumbent upon Allah. And Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful".

    Arberry Koran,

    "Whoso emigrates in the way of God will find in the earth many refuges and plenty; whoso goes forth from his house an emigrant to God and His Messenger, and then death overtakes him, his wage shall have fallen on God; surely God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate".

    Muhammad Sarwar,

    "One who abandons his home for the cause of God will find many places of refuge in the vast land and one who dies, after having abandoned his home to get near to God and His Messenger, will receive his reward from God. God is All-forgiving and All-merciful".

    Malik,

    "He who emigrates in the path of Allah shall find numerous places of refuge in the Earth and abundant resources. He who leaves his home to migrate for Allah and His Rasool and dies on the way, his reward becomes due and sure with Allah. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful".

    Mawdudi,

    "(4:100) He who emigrates in the way of Allah will find in the earth enough room for refuge and plentiful resources. And he who goes forth from his house as a migrant in the way of Allah and His Messenger, and whom death overtakes, his reward becomes incumbent on Allah. Surely Allah is All-Forgiving, All-Compassionate".*

    *footnote: "It should be understood clearly that it is only permissible for a person who believes in the true religion enjoined by God to live under the dominance of an un-Islamic system on one of the following conditions. First, that the believer struggles to put an end to the hegemony of the un-Islamic system and to have it replaced by the Islamic system of life, as the Prophets and their early followers had done. Second, that he lacks the means to get out of his homeland and thus stays there, but does so with utmost disinclination and unhappiness. If neither of these conditions exist, a believer who continues to live in a land where an un-Islamic order prevails, commits an act of continuous sin. To say that one has no Islamic state to go to does not hold water. For if no Islamic state exists, are there no mountains or forests from where one could eke out a living by eating leaves and drinking the milk of goats and sheep, and thus avoid living in a state of submission to unbelief. Some people have misunderstood the tradition which says: 'There is no hijrah after the conquest of Makka' (Bukhari, 'Sayd', 10; 'Jihad', 1, 27, 194; Tirmidhi, 'Siyar', 33; Nasa'i, 'Bay'ah', 15, etc. - Ed.) This tradition is specifically related to the people of Arabia of that time and does not embody a permanent injunction. At the time when the greater part of Arabia constituted the Domain of Unbelief (Dar al-Kufr) or the Domain of War (Dar al-Harb), and Islamic laws were being enforced only in Madina and its outskirts, the Muslims were emphatically directed to join and keep together. But when unbelief lost its strength and elan after the conquest of Makka, and almost the entire peninsula came under the dominance of Islam, the Prophet (peace be on him) declared that migration was no longer needed. This does not mean, however, that the duty to migrate was abolished for Muslims all over the world for all time to come regardless of the circumstances in which they lived".

    Daryabadi,

    "And he who migrates in the way of Allah shall find in the earth plentiful refuge and amplitude; and he who goes forth from his house as a fugitive unto Allah and His Messenger, and death overtakes him, his reward has surely devolved upon Allah, and Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful."

    Mufti Taqi Usmani,

    "Whoever migrates in the way of Allah shall find on the earth many a place to settle, and a wide dimension (of resources). Whoever leaves his home migrating for the sake of Allah and His Messenger, and death overtakes him, then, his reward is established with Allah. Allah is Most-Forgiving, Very-Merciful."

    Taisirur Rahman Le Bayanil Qur'an,

    "And he who emigrates in the cause of Allah, finds many places of refuge and abundance on earth, and whoever leaves his home as an emigrant to Allah and His Messenger, and death comes to him, then his reward is incumbent upon Allah, and Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

    Bewley,

    "Those who make hijra in the way of Allah will find many places off refuge on the earth and ample sustenance. If anyone leaves his home, making hijra to Allah and His Messenger, and death catches up with him, it is Allah Who will reward him. Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Meciful."

    The Hadith:

    Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.5, hadith 4309,

    "Narrated Mujahid: I said to Ibn 'Umar: "I want to emigrate to Sham." He said, "There is no emigration, but jihad (for Allah's Cause.) Go and offer yourself for Jihad, and if you find an opportunity for jihad (stay there) otherwise, come back."

    Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.1, Book 2, Chapter 26, Hadith No. 36,

    "(26) CHAPTER. Al-Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is part of the faith. 36.Narrated Abu Hurairah: The Prophet said, "Allah assigns for a person who participates in (holy battles) in Allah's Cause and nothing causes him to do so except belief in Allah and in His Messengers, that he will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in battle as a martyr)" The Prophet added: "Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any Sariya (an army-unit) going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His Cause."

    Comment: "Al-Jihad (Holy Fighting) in Allah's Cause (with full force of numbers and weaponry) is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of it's pillars (on which it stands). By Jihad Islam is established, Allah's Word is made superior. (His Word - La ilaha illallah - none has a right to be worshipped but Allah), and His Religion Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and the Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanishes. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim, and he who tries escape from his duty, or does not in his innermost heart wish to fulfil this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite."

    Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol.3, hadith 1875

    "Narrated Sufyan bin Abu Zuhair: I heard Allah's Messenger saying, "Yemen will be conquered and some people will migrate (from Al-Madina) and will urge their families, and those who will obey them to migrate (to Yemem), although Al-Madina will be better for them; if they but knew. Sham will also be conquered and some people will migrate (from Al-Madina) and will urge their families and those who will obey them to migrate (to Sham), although Al-Madina will be better for them; if they but knew. Iraq will be conquered and some people will migrate (from Al-Madina) and will urge their families and those who will obey them to migrate (to Iraq), although Al-Madina will be better for them; if they but knew."

    Ahmad Bin Hanbal, Vol.2, hadith 2396,

    "It was narrated that Ibn 'Abbas said: The Messenger of Allah said on the day of the conquest of Mekkah: "There is no hijrah (migration), but there is jihad and good intentions. When you are mobalized, then go forth". (Saheeh)

    Islamic Jurisprudence:

    Provisions Of The Afterlife: Which Lie Within Prophetic Guidance (translation by Ismail Abdus Salaam), pp.262-263,

    "The Levels Of Jihaad
    There are four levels of jihaad: jihaad waged against the soul, jihaad waged against Shaytaan, jihaad waged against disbelievers, and jihaad waged against hypocrites.
    1.One wages jihaad against his soul so that he may learn the religion of truth which is the sole source of happiness and success.
    2.One wages jihaad against his soul so that he may act once he has learned. Otherwise, knowledge would be futile if not harmful.
    3.One wages jihaad against the his soul so that he may teach. Otherwise, he would be like those who withhold the guidance of Allaah. Consequently, his knowledge would not save him from the punishment of Allaah,
    4.One wages jihaad against his soul so that he may endure the difficulty of teaching, and he does so entirely for Allaah. Once one has completed these four levels, he joins the ranks of those who know the truth and act accordingly. Fighting Shaytaan
    This jihaad has two levels:
    1.One wages jihaad against Shaytaan to repel the doubt which he casts.
    2.One wages jihaad against Shaytaan to repel his temptation.
    Consequently, certainty follows the first jihaad while patience follows the second jihaad, and the most high has said: {We made some of them leaders due to their patience and certainty} [As Sajda/24]. Allaah has informed us that religion leadership is attained with patience and certainty, because patience repels lowly desires while certainty repels doubt.
    Fighting The Disbelievers And Hypocrites
    This jihaad has four levels:
    1.the heart
    2.the tongue
    3.wealth
    4.the body
    The hand is usually used when waging jihaad against the disbelievers while the tongue is usually used when waging jihaad against the hypocrites. Fighting Tyrants, Innovators, And Evildoers
    This jihaad has three levels:
    1.the hand
    2.the tongue
    3.the heart
    The first level is the highest level.
    Thirteen levels of jihaad have preceded, and the prophet (may Allaah send salutations upon him) has said: (if one dies without participating in jihaad or wishing to do so, he dies in a state of hypocrisy). Jihaad Is Incomplete Without Migration Jihaad is incomplete without migration and there is no jihaad or migration without faith. As for those who seek the mercy of Allaah, they neglect none of these acts. Allaah the most high has said: {those who believe, migrate, and fight seek mercy for Allaah, and he is forgiving and merciful} [Al Baqara/218]."

    The Sira: Ibn Ishaq, "The life of Muhammad" (translated by Alfred Guillaume). page 204-205, (Ishaq 299),

    " 'Asim b. 'Umar b. Qatada told me that when the people came together to plight their faith to the apostle, al-'Abbas b. 'Ubada b. Nadla al-Ansai, brother of B. Salim b. 'Auf, said, 'O men of Khazzaj, do you realize to what you are committing yourselves in pledging your support to this man? It is a war against all and sundry. If you think that if you lose your property and your nobles are killed you will give him up, then do so now, for it would bring you shame in this world and the next (if you did so later); but if you think you will be loyal to your undertaking if you lose your property and your nobles are killed, then take him, for by Allah it will profit you in this world and the next.' They said they would accept the apostle on these conditions. But they asked what they would get in return for their loyalty, and the apostle promised them paradise. They said, 'Stretch forth your hand,' and when he did so they pledged their word. 'Asim added that al-'Abbas said that only to bind the obligation more securely on them. Abu Bakr said that he said it merely to keep the people back that night, hoping that 'Abdullah b.Ubayy b.Salul would come and so give more weight to his peoples support. But Allah knows best which is right."

    Ibn Ishaq, p.208 (Ishaq 305), CONDITIONS OF THE PLEDGE AT THE SECOND 'AQABA

    "When Allah gave permission to Muhammad to fight, the second 'Aqaba contained conditions involving the war which were not in the first act of fealty. Now they bound themselves to a war against all and sundry for Allah and his messenger, while he promised them for faithful service thus the reward of paradise."
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    That's your opinion based on your interpretation of 1,500 year old facts removed from their context of humankind. For your opinion to be viable, one of two things would have to be true:
    a.) Islam is a far more powerful religion than any other, turning its followers into an oblivious army.
    b.) Tens of millions of ordinary people are exercising sociopathic levels of deceit by smiling to your face and claiming to have emigrated simply for a better life.
    So Muhammad found it necessary or desirable to use and command violence in his day. That doesn't prove anything about how Islam is practised in 2019, and you'll find that the reality is much more mundane. Since you place so much value on facts, here are some:

    Your interpretation of jihad from the text is more extreme than how Muslims treat it today (even including most of the radicals). Not even Osama bin Laden was out to kill people simply because they're disbelievers, but rather framed the 9/11 attacks as revenge.

    One of my friends who's a writer will tell you that Iran is by far the friendliest country out of the dozens and dozens he's travelled to.

    Far fewer Muslims are radicalised than scaremongers like you would have us believe.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/05/akbar-ahmed-islam-europe/559391/

    You see the worst of what happens in the most backwards Islamic countries and apply that brush to Muslims as a whole. That's like saying that in countries with 100,000+ American emigrants, there's an extreme risk of them committing mass shootings just like their people do at home. Admittedly the rise of terror attacks in France coincides with the rise of Muslim immigrants there, but again the attacks are framed as retaliation or fighting back in wars primarily taking place in the Middle East. The immigration itself is not the act of war, because it's almost entirely just ordinary people seeking a better life.
     
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    Please show me where I interpreted. I supplied Tafsir Ibn Kathir who is Islam's top scholar. The only words that are mind are the first couple of sentences of that post and I referenced them. The rest of the words all come from Islamic authorities. I own all books I quote from. I bought these books at Islamic Bookstores.

    Islamic emigration is and has always been an act of war. Muhammad is the one who ordered it.
     
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    Muslims are expected to follow the Qur'an and Sunnah of Muhammad at all times and in all places.

    Noble Qur'an 3:31,

    "Say (O Muhammad to mankind): "If you (really) love Allah then follow me (i.e. accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Quran and the Sunnah), Allah will love you and forgive you of your sins. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

    This verse is not abrogated. The only verses Muslims no longer follow are those verses which have been abrogated and replaced with other verses. Here is a list of Abrogated Verses in the Qur'an That No Longer Apply to Muslims.



    Noble Qur'an 2:62, The Cow (Madinah Period)

    "Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve*."

    *footnote: "(V.2:62) This Verse (and Verse 5:69), mentioned in the Qur'an should not be misinterpreted by the reader as mentioned by Ibn Abbas (Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol.1, Page 323) that the provision of this Verse was abrogated by the Verse 3:85: "And whosoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter, he will be one of the losers." [i.e. after the coming of Prophet Muhammad on earth, no other religion except Islam, will be accepted from anyone]."

    Noble Qur'an 2:106, The Cow (Madinah Period)

    "Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?"

    Tafsir Ibn Kathir,

    "Whatever the ruling of a verse as to change or replace another therewith; but it is that We make lawful what was unlawful; and the unlawful, to be lawful; and what is allowed to be prohibited; and the forbidden, to be permitted; the matter that can only be applied in that which is ordained and that which is prohibited; and in forbiddance and allowance. As for the news stated in the Glorious Qur'an; there must not be even the least of abrogation. As to transcript a book is to make a copy of its copy; it is also the same when the Shar'i (legal) ruling is abrogated, i.e, to change it, and to transform a statement within it; and that whether its Shar'i ruling or its manuscript is transformed; it is in fact in both cases abrogated; hence it is included therein the abrogation of that which is easy to carry out with that which is hard and vice versa; and it is that the abrogation is not meant to substitute some ruling with another."

    Noble Qur'an 2:109, The Cow (Madinah Period)

    "Many of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) wish that if they could turn you away as disbelievers after you have believed, out of envy from their ownselves, even, after the truth (that Muhammad is Allah's Messenger) has become manifest unto them. But forgive and overlook, till Allah brings His Command*. Verily, Allah is Able to do all things."

    *footnote: "(V.2:109) The provision of this verse has been abrogated by the (V.9:29). (Tafsir At-Tabari)"

    Noble Qur'an 9:29,

    "Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."


    Noble Qur'an 5:69, The Table Spread With Food (Madinah Period)

    "Surely, those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah, in His Messenger Muhammad, and all that was revealed to him from Allah), and those who are the Jews and the Sabians and the Christians, --- whosoever believed in Allah and the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." *

    *footnote: "(V.5:69) This verse (V.5:69) and (Verse 2:62) should not be misinterpreted by the reader as mentioned by Ibn 'Abbas (Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol.1, Page 323) that the provision of this Verse was abrogated by the (V.3:85). And after the coming of the Prophet Muhammad, no other religion except Islam will be accepted from anyone."

    Tafsir Ibn Kathir:

    "The statement of Allah: {those who believe} refers to Muslims. {those who are the Jews} who were given the Torah. {and the Sabians}, who are a sect from the Christians. The Magians are those who don't follow any (of the three) well-known religions. What is meant is that if each of these groups believed in Allah and the Last Day, which is the Day of Judgement and Reckoning, and acted righteously; all what they have done would be in vain if not conforming Muhammad's Jurisprudence stated after he was sent to all mankind and Jinn. Those who have this attribute (these beliefs), they shall surely have no fear if what they shall face, nor shall they be sorry for what they have lost, nor shall they grieve."

    Noble Qur'an 8:61, The Spoils of War (Madinah Period)

    "But if they incline to peace, you also incline to it, and (put your) trust in Allah. Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower."

    Tafsir al-Jalalayn (Aisha Bewley translation):

    "If they incline to peace (read as both silm and salm), you too incline to it and make a treaty with them -- Ibn 'Abbas said that this was abrogated by the "Ayat of the sword". Mujahid said that it is particular to the People of the Book since it was revealed about the Banu Qurayza---and put your trust in Allah. He is the All-Knowing of your actions."

    Noble Qur'an 16:101, The Bee (Makkah Period)

    "And when We change a Verse (of the Qur'an), in place of another---and Allah knows best what He sends down---they (the disbelievers) say: "You (Muhammad) are but a Muftari! (forger, liar)." Nay, but most of them know not."

    Tafsir al-Jalalayn (Aisha Bewley translation):

    "If We replace one ayat with another one by abrogating it and replacing it with another, in mankind's best interests -- and Allah knows best what He is sending down -- they (the unbelievers) say to the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, 'You are just inventing this and are lying, making it up!' No indeed! Most of them have no knowledge of the reality of the Qur'an and the benefit of abrogation."

    Tafsir Ibn Kathir,

    "In this verse; Allah, the Almighy affirms the polytheists' lack of reasoning, faith and conviction, and that it is impossible for them to believe (in Allah and His Messenger (PBUH) while He doomed them to wretchedness; as when they knew that some rulings had been abrogated, they said to the Messenger of Allah (PBUH): {You (O Muhammad) are but a Muftari! (forger)} i.e. a liar (Allah forbids). Yet, it is Allah, the Lord, Who does what He wills, and sets what He wants. About this part of the verse: {And when We change a verse [of the Qur'an] in place of another}. Mujahid said: "We remove one and put another one in its place." In this regard Qatadah said that it is similar to this statement of Allah: {Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it.}"

    Noble Qur'an 43:89, Makkah Period

    "So turn away from them (O Muhammad), and say: Salam (peace)! But they will come to know.* "

    *Footnote: "(V.43:89) The provision of this Verse was abrogated by the revelation of the Verse of fighting against them (V.9:5)"

    Noble Qur'an 45:14, The Kneeling (Makkah Period)

    "Say (O Muhammad) to the believers to forgive those who (harm them and) hope not for the Days of Allah (i.e. His Recompense), that He may recompense people, according to what they have earned (i.e. to punish these disbelievers who harm the believers).* "

    *Footnote: "(V.45:14) The provision of this Verse was abrogated by the Verse of Jihad (holy fighting) (V.9:36) against the polytheists."

    Qur'an 86:17 - Mufti Muhammad Taqi Usmani translation,

    "So leave the disbelievers alone at the moment; give them respite for a while." *

    *Footnote: "At that stage, no punishment was intended to be inflicted on the infidels. They were given respite for some time, but were seized at the time destine for that, either in this world or in the Hereafter."

    Tafsir al-Jalalayn (Aisha Bewley Translation),

    "So bear with the unbelievers -- bear with them for a while. This is addressed to Muhammad. The repetition is for emphasis. He is instructed to go easy with them. Then Allah seized them in the battle of Badr. Bearing with them was abrogated by the Ayat of the Sword, when the command to fight and engage in jihad was given."

    Tafsir Ibn Kathir,

    "{Verily, they but plotting a plot,} i.e. against the people by calling people to follow a path other than that of the Qur'an. {And I (too) am planning a plan.} Then Allah, the Exalted says: {So give a respite to the disbelievers.} meaning, 'O Muhammad! Wait for them and be not in haste with them. {Deal you gently with them for a while.} meaning, a little while, and you will surely see what will befall them of the torment, excruciating and humiliating punishment and destruction; as Allah similarly says: {We let them enjoy for a little while, then in the end We shall oblige them to (enter) a great torment.}

    Noble Qur'an 109:6, The Disbelievers (Makkah Period)

    "To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islamic Monotheism)."

    Tafsir al-Jalalayn, Verse 6 (Aisha Bewley Translation),

    "You have your din and I have my din' "You have shirk and I have Islam." This was revealed before the command to fight came."
     
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    Here are only a few Qur'an verses along with Tafsir and Sunnah that clearly say jihad against unbelievers is still practiced. My words end here.


    Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.1, Book 2, Chapter 26, Hadith No. 36,

    "(26) CHAPTER. Al-Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is part of the faith.
    36.Narrated Abu Hurairah: The Prophet said, "Allah assigns for a person who participates in (holy battles) in Allah's Cause and nothing causes him to do so except belief in Allah and in His Messengers, that he will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in battle as a martyr)" The Prophet added: "Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any Sariya (an army-unit) going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His Cause."

    Comment: "Al-Jihad (Holy Fighting) in Allah's Cause (with full force of numbers and weaponry) is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of it's pillars (on which it stands). By Jihad Islam is established, Allah's Word is made superior. (His Word - La ilaha illallah - none has a right to be worshipped but Allah), and His Religion Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and the Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanishes. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim, and he who tries escape from his duty, or does not in his innermost heart wish to fulfil this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite."
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    Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.1, Book 7, hadith 335,

    "Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "I have been give five (things) which were not given to anyone else before me.
    1. Allah made me victorious by awe, (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month's journey.
    2.The earth has been made for me (and for my followers) a place for offering Salat (prayer) and a thing to purify (perform tayammum), therefore anyone of my followers can offer Salat wherever he is, at the time of Salat.
    3. The booty has been made Halal (lawful) to me yet it was not lawful to anyone else before me. 4. I have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection).
    5. Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind."
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    Noble Qur'an 2:193, The Cow (Madinah Period)

    "And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone).* But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

    *footnote: "(V.2:193)
    (A) Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Messenger said, "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people till they testify that La illallah wa Anna Muhammmad-ur-Rasul Allah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah), and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) and give Zakat, so if they perform all that, then they save their lives, and properties from me except for Islamic laws, and their reckoning (accounts) will be with (done by) Allah." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol 1, Hadith No.24).


    Tafsir (The Interpretation of the Meanings):

    Tafsir Al-Qurtubi: Qur'an 2:193,

    "Fight them until there is no more fitna and the deen belongs to Allah alone.
    This is a command to fight every idolater in every place according to those who say that it abrogates the previous ayats. According to those who say that it does not abrogate other ayats, it means: fight those about whom Allah says, "if they fight you". The former is the more likely meaning. It is an unqualified command to fight without any precondition of hostilities being initiated by the unbelievers. The evidence for that is in the words of Allah, "and the din belongs to Allah alone." The Prophet said, " I was commanded to fight people until they say, 'There is no god but Allah.' The ayat and hadith both indicate that the reason for fighting is disbelief because Allah says, "until there is no more fitna," meaning disbelief in this case. So the goal is to abolish disbelief and that is clear.
    Ibn 'Abbas, Qatada, ar-Rabi', as-Suddi and others said that fitna here means shirk and the subsequent injury to the believers caused by it. The root of fitna is testing and trial, derived from the term for testing silver when it is put in the fire to separate the impurities from the pure metal.

    If they cease, there should be no enmity towards any but wrongdoers.
    If they stop and become Muslim or submit by paying jizya in the case of the people of the Book. Otherwise they should be fought and they are wrongdoers and only transgress against themselves. What is done to the wrongdoers is called enmity since it is the repayment of enmity. Wrongdoing and injustice involve enmity and repayment of enmity is also called enmity. The wrongdoers are either those who initiate fighting or those who remain entrenched in disbelief and fitna."


    Tafsir Ibn Kathir: Qur'an 2:193,

    "{Fitnah} meaning, disbelief and worshipping of others with Allah. {and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone).} It refers to the fact that the Religion of Allah (Islam) must be prevalent over other religions. {But if they cease,} meaning, you are stop fighting them the moment they stop fighting the believers, and thereto Islam they turned; for whoever fights them after that, he is then a transgressor; and that there should be no transgression except against the polytheists and wrongdoers. Narrated Nafi' that Ibn 'Umar said that two men there came to him during the dispute of Ibn Az-Zubayr and said: "People are fighting each others. What keeps you from taking part in the fighting despite your being Ibn 'Umar and the Companion of the Prophet (PBUH)?" He said: "What keeps me as such is that Allah prohibited the killing of a Muslim." They said: "Has not Allah said: {And fight them until there is no more Fitnah}?" Ibn 'Umar said: "We fought until there were no more Fitnah and all the religion (worship) was for Allah and you want to fight till the Fitnah befalls and not to let the religion be for Allah."


    Tafsir Al-Jalalayn (Aisha Bewley translation) : Qur'an 2:193,

    "Fight them until there is no more fitna (shirk) in existence and the din (worship) belongs to Allah alone and none but Him is worshipped. If they cease committing shirk there should be no enmity by killing or in any other way towards any but wrongdoers. If someone is not a wrongdoer, there must be no aggression against him."
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    Ibn Ishaq, "The life of Muhammad" (translated by Alfred Guillaume), p.647 (Ishaq 992),

    "He said to them, "Take it, Ibn 'Auf; fight everyone in the way of God and kill those who disbelieve in God."

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    Noble Qur'an 3:141, The Family of Imran (Madinah Period)

    "And that Allah may test (or purify) the believers (from sins) and destroy the disbelievers."

    Other Translations:

    Daryabadi,

    "And that Allah may purge those who believe*, and wipe out the infidels."

    *footnote: "Purge them of any impurities that they might have contracted. Trials and tribulations in the case of true believers have always the effect of purifying their hearts and improving their morals."

    Bewley,

    "and so that Allah can purge those who believe and wipe out the unbelievers."

    Mawdudi,

    "and He makes men go through trials in order that He might purge the believers and blot out those who deny the Truth."

    Saheeh International,

    "And that Allah may purify the believers [through trials] and destroy the disbelievers."

    Malik,

    "and that Allah may purge the believers and annihilate the unbelievers."


    Mufti Taqi Usmani,

    "and so that Allah may purify those who believe and eradicate the disbelievers."

    Arberry Koran,

    "and that God may prove the believers, and blot out the unbelievers."


    Tafsir Ibn Kathir: Qur'an 3:141,

    "{And that Allah may test (or purify) the believers (from sins)} It is that Allah will expiate them of their sins if they have committed any, or that according to the agonies they suffered for the sake of Allah, He will raise to higher degrees, {and destroy the disbelievers), who if they become victorious, they will be arrogant and transgressors; the matter that will certainly lead to their destruction, vanquishing, eradication and removal."

    Tafsir Al-Jalalayn (Aisha Bewley translation):

    "...and so that Allah can purge and purify those who believe from sins through affliction and wipe out and destroy the unbelievers."
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    Ash Shifa (Aisha Bewley translation),

    Part 4, Chapter 1, Section 1, p.376

    "Habib ibn Rabi' al-Qarawi said that the school of Malik and his companions is that anyone who says anything disparaging about the Prophet is killed without being asked to repent.
    Ibn ' Attab said that the Book of Sunna require that someone who intends to even slightly harm or disparage the Prophet, either by allusion or clear statement, must be killed."

    Part 4, Chapter 1, Section 2, p.376

    "SECTION 2
    The Proof of the necessity of killing anyone who curses the Prophet or finds fault with him

    The Qur'an says that Allah curses the one who harms the Prophet in this world and He connected harm of Himself to harm of the Prophet. There is no dispute that anyone who curses Allah is killed and that his curse demands that he be categorized as an unbeliever. The judgement of the unbeliever is that he is killed."

    Section 2, continued..p.378

    "Similarly on the Day of Conquest, he ordered the killing of Ibn Khatal and his two slavegirls who used to sing his curses on the Prophet."

    Section 2, continued..pp.378-379

    "Abdu'r-Razzaq mentioned that a man cursed the Prophet, causing the Prophet to say, "Who will save me from my enemy?" Az-Zubayr said, "I will." He sent az-Zubayr and he killed him.
    It is related that a woman used to curse the Prophet and he said, "Who will save me from my enemy?" Khalid ibn al-Walid went out and killed her.
    It is related that a man forged lies against the Prophet and he sent 'Ali and az-Zubayr to kill him.
    Ibn Qani' related that a man came to the Prophet and said, "Messenger of Allah, I heard my father say something ugly about you, so I killed him," and that did not distress the Prophet.
    Al-Mujahir ibn Umayya, the Amir of Yemen, reported to Abu Bakr that a woman there in the time of Ridda chanted curses against the Prophet, so he cut off her hand and pulled out her front teeth. When Abu Bakr heard that, he said to him, "If you had not done what you already did, I would have commanded you to kill her because the hadd regarding the Prophet is not like the hadd regarding others."
    Ibn 'Abbas said that a woman from Khatma satirised the Prophet and the Prophet said, "Who will deal with her for me?" A man from her people said, "I will, Messenger of Allah." The man got up and went and killed her. He told the Prophet, "Two goats will not lock horns over her."
    Ibn 'Abbas said that a blind man has an umm walad who used to curse the Prophet. He scolded her and restrained her, but she would not be restrained. That night she began to attack and revile the Prophet, so he killed her. He told the Prophet about that and he said he has shed her blood with impunity."

    Part Four, Chapter 1, Section 5, p.387,

    "Muhammad ibn Sahnun said, "Anyone who doubts a single letter which Muhammad, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, brought, is a denying unbeliever."
    He said that the judgement against anyone who rejects the Prophet is that he is killed.
    Ahmad ibn Sulayman, Sahnun's companion, said that whoever says that the Prophet was black is killed. The Prophet was not black.
    Abu 'Uthman al-Haddad said something similar and said that if someone said the Prophet died before his beard began to grow or that he was in Tahart (Morocco) and not Tihama, he is killed because this constitutes denial.
    Habib ibn ar-Rabi said that it is disbelief to alter his description and its details. The one who does that openly is an unbeliever. He is asked to repent. The one who conceals it is a heretic and is killed without being asked to repent."
     
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    Taqiyya - Islamic Art of Deception

    Noble Qur'an 3:28, The Family of Imran (Madinah Period)

    "Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Auliya (supporters, helpers, etc.) instead of the believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by Allah in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them. And Allah warns you against Himself (His Punishment), and to Allah is the final return."



    Tafsir (The exegesis of the Qur'an),

    Tafsir Ibn Kathir,

    لَا يَتَّخِذِ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الْكَافِرِينَ أَوْلِيَاءَ مِنْ دُونِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۖ وَمَنْ يَفْعَلْ ذَٰلِكَ فَلَيْسَ مِنَ اللَّهِ فِي شَيْءٍ إِلَّا أَنْ تَتَّقُوا مِنْهُمْ تُقَاةً ۗ وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللَّهُ نَفْسَهُ ۗ وَإِلَى اللَّهِ الْمَصِيرُ٢٨

    28. Let not the believers take the disbelievers as friends instead of the believers, and whoever does that, will never be helped by Allah in any way, unless you indeed fear a danger from them. And Allah warns you against Himself, and to Allah is the final return.

    The Prohibition of Supporting the Disbelievers

    Allah prohibited His believing servants from becoming supporters of the disbelievers, or to take them as comrades with whom they develop friendships, rather than the believers. Allah warned against such behavior when He said,

    ﴿وَمَن يَفْعَلْ ذَلِكَ فَلَيْسَ مِنَ اللَّهِ فِي شَىْءٍ﴾
    (And whoever does that, will never be helped by Allah in any way) meaning, whoever commits this act that Allah has prohibited, then Allah will discard him. Similarly, Allah said,

    ﴿يأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ عَدُوِّى وَعَدُوَّكُمْ أَوْلِيَآءَ تُلْقُونَ إِلَيْهِمْ بِالْمَوَدَّةِ﴾
    (O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies as friends, showing affection towards them), until,

    ﴿وَمَن يَفْعَلْهُ مِنكُمْ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ سَوَآءَ السَّبِيلِ﴾
    (And whosoever of you does that, then indeed he has gone astray from the straight path.) ﴿60:1﴾. Allah said,

    ﴿يَـأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ الْكَـفِرِينَ أَوْلِيَآءَ مِن دُونِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ أَتُرِيدُونَ أَن تَجْعَلُواْ للَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ سُلْطَاناً مُّبِيناً ﴾
    (O you who believe! Take not for friends disbelievers instead of believers. Do you wish to offer Allah a manifest proof against yourselves) ﴿4:144﴾, and,

    ﴿يَـأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَـرَى أَوْلِيَآءَ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَآءُ بَعْضٍ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُمْ مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ مِنْهُمْ﴾
    (O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends, they are but friends of each other. And whoever befriends them, then surely, he is one of them.) ﴿5:51﴾.

    Allah said, after mentioning the fact that the faithful believers gave their support to the faithful believers among the Muhajirin, Ansar and Bedouins,

    ﴿وَالَّذينَ كَفَرُواْ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَآءُ بَعْضٍ إِلاَّ تَفْعَلُوهُ تَكُنْ فِتْنَةٌ فِى الاٌّرْضِ وَفَسَادٌ كَبِيرٌ ﴾
    (And those who disbelieve are allies of one another, (and) if you do not behave the same, there will be Fitnah and oppression on the earth, and a great mischief and corruption.) ﴿8:73﴾.

    Allah said next,

    ﴿إِلاَ أَن تَتَّقُواْ مِنْهُمْ تُقَـةً﴾
    (unless you indeed fear a danger from them) meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda' said, "We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.'' Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, "The Tuqyah is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.'' Allah said,

    ﴿وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللَّهُ نَفْسَهُ﴾
    (And Allah warns you against Himself.) meaning, He warns you against His anger and the severe torment He prepared for those who give their support to His enemies, and those who have enmity with His friends,

    ﴿وَإِلَى اللَّهِ الْمَصِيرُ﴾
    (And to Allah is the final return) meaning, the return is to Him and He will reward or punish each person according to their deeds.

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    The Hadith:

    Sahih Muslim, Vol.6, Hadith [6633] 101 - (2605),

    "Chapter 27. Prohibition Of Lying, And What Is Permitted Thereof
    [6633] 101 - (2605) Humaid bin 'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Awf narrated that his mother, Umm Kulthum bint 'Uqbah bin Abi Mu'ait -- who was one of the first Muhajir women who swore alligiance to the Prophet--told him that she heard the Messenger of Allah say: "He is not a liar who reconciles between people, saying good things and conveying good things."
    Ibn Shihab said (in his Hadith that she said): "I did not hear of any concession being granted concerning anything that people call lies except in three cases: War, reconciling among people, and what a man says to his wife or a woman says to her husband."

    Sahih Muslim, Vol.2 (Summarized edition), Book 55, Chapter 49, hadith 1810,

    "(49) CHAPTER. Permissible lies

    1810. Umm Kulthum bint 'Uqbah bin Abu Mu'ait (who was from the first emigrants) narrated that she heard the Messenger of Allah saying: "He who makes peace between people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar."
    Ibn Shihab said: "I heard nothing where what people say can be permissible as lies except in three: war, to make people reconcile and a man's talk to make his wife happy."
    In another narration: Umm Kulthum said: "I heard nothing permissible as a lie except these three."

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    ISLAM IS A "WAR AGAINST ALL"

    Noble Qur'an 48:10, The Viictory (Al-Fath) Madinah Period)

    "Verily, those who give the Bai'ah (pledge) to you (O Muhammad) they are giving Bai'ah (pledge) to Allah. The Hand of Allah is over their hands. Then whosoever breaks his pledge, breaks it only to his own harm; and whosoever fulfils what he has covenanted with Allah, He will bestow on him a great reward."



    Ibn Ishaq, "The life of Muhammad" (translated by Alfred Guillaume). page 204-205, (Ishaq 299),

    " 'Asim b. 'Umar b. Qatada told me that when the people came together to plight their faith to the apostle, al-'Abbas b. 'Ubada b. Nadla al-Ansai, brother of B. Salim b. 'Auf, said, 'O men of Khazzaj, do you realize to what you are committing yourselves in pledging your support to this man? It is a war against all and sundry. If you think that if you lose your property and your nobles are killed you will give him up, then do so now, for it would bring you shame in this world and the next (if you did so later); but if you think you will be loyal to your undertaking if you lose your property and your nobles are killed, then take him, for by Allah it will profit you in this world and the next.' They said they would accept the apostle on these conditions. But they asked what they would get in return for their loyalty, and the apostle promised them paradise. They said, 'Stretch forth your hand,' and when he did so they pledged their word. 'Asim added that al-'Abbas said that only to bind the obligation more securely on them. Abu Bakr said that he said it merely to keep the people back that night, hoping that 'Abdullah b.Ubayy b.Salul would come and so give more weight to his peoples support. But Allah knows best which is right."


    Ibn Ishaq, p.208 (Ishaq 305),

    "CONDITIONS OF THE PLEDGE AT THE SECOND 'AQABA

    When Allah gave permission to Muhammad to fight, the second 'Aqaba contained conditions involving the war which were not in the first act of fealty. Now they bound themselves to a war against all and sundry for Allah and his messenger, while he promised them for faithful service thus the reward of paradise."
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    Almost none of them follow it to the letter. What they were originally expected to do proves nothing about what they actually do now in 2019.

    Your sources of traditional texts prove nothing about what is 'still practised' today.

    I did show you, by quoting your own words. I'll try my best to dumb my points way down so you can understand them. So let's play a little game of spot the difference:

    The fact: the original Islamic texts command followers who emigrate to wage jihad.

    Your interpretation: "They come here to kill you and me and everyone else", ie. all Muslims who emigrate do so in the name of Islam and are waging jihad as we type.

    If you cannot reconcile the vast difference in meaning between these two statements, I assert that you are losing the debate. The facts in my previous reply prove that your interpretation is inaccurate.

    But really, you completely failed to respond to any of my points (which I'll summarise into a list if you request me to), instead choosing to repeat walls of text from the traditional scriptures and the long-dead Ibn Kathir. It'd be more accurate to say you're flunking out of the ability to engage in the debate at all. Your methods merely make you feel like you win debates.
     
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    This reply is silly and desperately argumentative. Are you a teenager?

    That statement is only partly true. In today's world, only Isis follows the Qur'an and Sunnah, living the exact same lives Muhammad and his companions led. Isis implemented Sharia Law as it was practiced by Muhammad and his companions. Saudi Arabia and other countries have a more watered down version of the Sharia. Yet even then Islam is brutal.
    But what about those nice Muslims? Are they not supposed to also follow Muhammad? Sure they are. Muhammad in Islam is taken just as seriously as Jesus in Christianity. You can't remove Muhammad from Islam. It will never happen. So what does Muhammad say about those peaceful Muslims?

    Sunan An-Nasa'i, Vol.4, Book 25, Chapter 2, Hadith 3099,

    "Chapter 2. Stern Warning Against Forsaking Jihad
    3099.It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Prophet said, "Whoever dies without having fought or having thought of fighting, he dies on one of the branches of hypocrisy ." (Sahih)

    So those peaceful Muslims are called hypocrites by Muhammad! By the way, that hadith is authentically transmitted. That's what "Sahih" means.

    The amount of Islamic terrorists that do follow Islam to the letter is of a higher population than the United States. There are approximately 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world today. If, say, only 12% of Muslims were terrorists, that leaves us with 192,000,000 million terrorists. And the percentage of Islamic jihadists is definitely higher than 12%! The actual number is much closer to 25% if not higher.


    All Muslims are expected to follow the Qur'an and Sunnah just as Christians are expected to follow the Gospel. You can't stop a Muslim from reading. Sudden Jihad Syndrome happens in Muslims with no prior history of violence. It happens when a Muslim decides to take his beliefs seriously. And it don't take long to learn about all the bad stuff. Its true that many Muslims have left Islam for Christianity after reading the Qur'an. The Qur'an and the New Testament are comparable in size and the time it takes to read them. Any Muslim who reads the New Testament and Qur'an side-by-side will most likely convert to Christ. This happens a lot.
    The fact is, there are many Muslims reading the Qur'an, Sunnah and other important books of Islam. I bought all my books at various Islamic Bookstores online. I can find all the books I quoted here in all those bookstores. What does this say? Those bookstores are obviously making enough money to stay open.

    On a side note: In my dealings with Muslims during my time hunting for sources, I bought a Salafi Qur'an in Egypt. The dealer was no doubt a terrorist but I had to get these sources in order to finish my research. The terrorist through in a free small Musin Khan. He was an honest business man which I cannot say that about those alleged peaceful Muslims. I was ripped off plenty of times and did lose money in my quest to get all the resources I needed. I was LUCKY...yes, lucky, to come by the Muhsin Khan Edition of the Noble Qur'an used to inspire the 9-11 attacks. Its a very very hard Edition to find, as most of them were blown up by American bombers. I got mine for...$6.00!! Its got the Call To Jihad in there and everything. Its the only Edition that has that. But the fact that I was given a free Muslin Khan by a Salafi Muslim speaks volumes in light of the fact that the Muhsin Khan has been the best selling Qur'an out there. The Salafi Qur'an I have is well made and only 10 in the world exist. The commentary in that Qur'an doesn't differ in doctrine from any of the other Qur'ans. That tells me that Islam is Islam.


    Ah, there is no difference. Muslims emigrate for jihad as commanded in the Qur'an and Sunnah of Muhammad for the purposing of killing us. I have quoted many things in this topic you will not be able to just shrug off. Ignoring facts is not how you win debates. You assume Muslims don't follow their beliefs yet every major city in Britain now has a Muslim Mayor. That is all part of the takeover of Britain and the British Muslims are said to be the worst of terrorists by all the African Muslims who know the soldiers who emigrated into Britain!

    So we are getting all the bad Muslims. The good Muslims stay back. They are called "hypocrites" by Muhammad.

    Islam is dogmatic and cannot change. Islam is more authoritarian than Judaism and Christianity. There is no change in Islam. Islam is Islam. And if the ancient texts are no good, then there is no point in being Muslim. While that sounds good to me, it would rub off as offensive to Muslims.

    Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol.9, Book 88, Hadith 6922

    6922.Narrated 'Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali; and he burnt them. The news of this event reached Ibn 'Abbas who said. "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Messenger forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.' "
     
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    I'm 35 but it was slightly desperate to try and get you to actually engage in the debate, and thankfully it seems to have worked. Previously your posts have been far sillier than mine and not remotely argumentative enough, or not even clear as to what point you're trying to get across.

    This link from my first reply already shot down that claim.

    That sentence is a complete dog's breakfast. The second part doesn't follow from the first. The level to which a British mayor adheres to their religion isn't a qualification for the job. I did not assume. Again, see some of the links from my first reply:
    - Jihad in practice is not as extreme as the facts you presented from the text.
    - 'Literalist' Muslims who follow their beliefs to the letter are only one segment of Islam, thus most of them don't follow their beliefs to the letter.

    Also:
    - You even said it yourself that the 'Call To Jihad' has been removed from most editions. Why would they remove that part if their beliefs are not mellowing out on average?
    - This article written by a Muslim is more relevant and imparts more accurate knowledge about Muslims in the West than all of the words you will ever write about Islam in your entire life combined. Take note of the following sentence in particular:

    Yes, from my perspective there's no point in being Muslim, but I empathise and respect that from their perspective they find a point in being Muslim. It's up to them to reconcile their problematic texts with today's society. It's a blunder for you to judge all Muslims on the contents of the texts alone.

    Do you have a source for this? Of the 30 million+ Muslims who reside in the West, are you seriously saying that you're worried and suspicious of all 30 million+? Do you realise how pathetic and disgusting that makes you? If even 1% of the Muslims who emigrated to Britain were bad people, that would amount to tens of thousands of bad people there right now. Yet those tens of thousands can barely manage one terrorist attack in Britain per year on average between them, pretty much only matching the number of attacks carried out by white supremacists these days. To suggest that one demographic in society is so exceptionally more dangerous than any other either makes you a bigot, or just an idiot giving Islam way too much credit.

    Or if you're suggesting that it's almost solely a "peaceful" takeover by the numbers where they take up positions such as mayor, boohoo. Let it play out and see what happens. It'll take so many generations that society will have evolved and they'll have forgotten what you claim they were there for in the first place. Then there's the benefits of immigration in general:

    https://www.thecut.com/2016/08/milwaukee-shows-what-segregation-does-to-american-cities.html
     
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    I've always been open to discussion from day 1. The trolling stuff I've had to put up with ruins discussion.

    Islam is an authoritarian religion. Its a complete system of life, as Muslims say. Though I prefer to call it a complete system of misery. Therefore all debates on Islam revolve around Islam authoritarian doctrines.

    I do not personally engage in argumentative debates. I aim to educate. I do not include me in my posts because the issue is not about me. Its about Islam. There I present Islam in a kafir centric way. I do not care how Muslims pray. I care about how they treat the kafirs (unbelievers). Islam practices logical dualism: it has one set of rules for believers and another for unbelievers. Islam does not follow the golden rule.

    By the way I'm 48.


    I've seen so many muslims online and debated countless muslims. Most of the muslims I've run across are terrorists. Your liberal article is something I will quickly reject due to the fact that its a bias. Liberals are Helpers...Islamic bitches who protect terrorist by inventing a new Muhammad who never existed. This is Media Muhammad. This Media Muhammad with all his Walt Disney charm isn't anything like Mecca or Medina Muhammad. Muslims don't make Islam; Islam makes Muslims. Islam is not a clubhouse where the rules change to appease progressives. If you trust liberal information on matters of religion (any religion) then you will never truly understand world religions. So your article just gives the liberal bias...the usual political correctness that is destroying the country.


    Welcome to the doctrine of taqiyya where Muslims lie to unbelievers to prevent them from learning true Islam. Muslims don't follow liberal media. They follow Islam. They use the liberal media to cover up their plot to conquer the nation. 1400 years of Islam tells all.

    Taqiyya

    Reliance of the Traveller is a well known book on Islamic Sacred Law (the Sharia).Here you will see, if you read attentively, that Muslims are permitted to lie to unbelievers if it means they gain the upper hand.

    Reliance of the Traveller: r8.2, pp.744-746,

    "PERMISSIBLE LYING

    r8.2 The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said,

    "He who settles disagreements between people to bring about good or says something commendable is not a liar."

    This much is related by both Bukhari and Muslim, with Muslim's version recording that Umm Kulthum added,

    "I did not hear him permit untruth in anything people say, except for three things: war, settling disagreements, and a man talking with his wife or she with him (A: in smoothing over differences)."
    This is an explicit statement that lying is sometimes permissible for a given interests, scholars having established criteria defining what types of it are lawful. The best analysis of it I have seen is by Imam Abu Hamid Ghazali, who says: "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. When, for example, one is concealing a Muslim from an oppressor who asked where he is, it is obligatory to lie about his being hidden. Or when a person deposits an article with one for safekeeping and an oppressor wanting to appropriate it inquires about it, it is obligatory to lie about having concealed it, for if one informs him about the article and he then siezes it, one is financially liable (A: to the owner) to cover the article's cost. Whether the purpose is war, settling disagreement, or gaining the sympathy of a victim legally entitled to retaliate against one so that he will forbear to do so; it is not unlawful to lie when any of these aims can only be attained through lying. But it is religiously more precautionary (def: c6.5) in all such cases to employ words that give a misleading impression, meaning to intend by one's words something that is literally truem in respect to which one is not lying (def:r10.2), while the outward purport of the words deceives the hearer, though even if one does not have such an intention and merely lies without intending anything else, it is not unlawful in the above circumstances.
    "This is true of every expression connected with a legitimating desired end, whether one's own or another's. An example of a legitimating end of one's own is when an oppressor intending to appropriate one's property inquires about it, in which case one may deny it. Or if a ruler asks one about a wicked act one has committed that is solely between oneself and Allah Most High (N: i.e. it does not concern the rights of another), in which case one is entitled to disclaim it, such as by saying, 'I did not commit fornication,' or 'I did not drink.' There are many well known hadiths in which those who admitted they deserved punishment were given prompting (A: by the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace)) to retract their confessions. An example of a legitimating desired end of another is when one is asked about another's secret and one disacknowledges it. And so on. One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie, though if the reverse is true or if one does not know which entails more damage, then lying is unlawful. Whenever lying is permissible, if the factor which permits it is a desired end of one's own, it is recommended not to lie, but when the factor that permits it is a desired end of another, it is not lawful to infringe upon his rights. Strictness (A: as opposed to the above dispensations (rukksa, def: c6.2) is to forgo lying in every case where it is not legally obligatory."
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    Noble Qur'an 3:28, The Family of Imran (Madinah Period)

    "Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Auliya (supporters, helpers, etc.) instead of the believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by Allah in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them. And Allah warns you against Himself (His Punishment), and to Allah is the final return."

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    Tafsir Ibn Kathir: Qur'an 3:28,

    لَا يَتَّخِذِ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الْكَافِرِينَ أَوْلِيَاءَ مِنْ دُونِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۖ وَمَنْ يَفْعَلْ ذَٰلِكَ فَلَيْسَ مِنَ اللَّهِ فِي شَيْءٍ إِلَّا أَنْ تَتَّقُوا مِنْهُمْ تُقَاةً ۗ وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللَّهُ نَفْسَهُ ۗ وَإِلَى اللَّهِ الْمَصِيرُ٢٨

    28. Let not the believers take the disbelievers as friends instead of the believers, and whoever does that, will never be helped by Allah in any way, unless you indeed fear a danger from them. And Allah warns you against Himself, and to Allah is the final return.

    The Prohibition of Supporting the Disbelievers
    Allah prohibited His believing servants from becoming supporters of the disbelievers, or to take them as comrades with whom they develop friendships, rather than the believers. Allah warned against such behavior when He said,

    ﴿وَمَن يَفْعَلْ ذَلِكَ فَلَيْسَ مِنَ اللَّهِ فِي شَىْءٍ﴾
    (And whoever does that, will never be helped by Allah in any way) meaning, whoever commits this act that Allah has prohibited, then Allah will discard him. Similarly, Allah said,

    ﴿يأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ عَدُوِّى وَعَدُوَّكُمْ أَوْلِيَآءَ تُلْقُونَ إِلَيْهِمْ بِالْمَوَدَّةِ﴾
    (O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies as friends, showing affection towards them), until,

    ﴿وَمَن يَفْعَلْهُ مِنكُمْ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ سَوَآءَ السَّبِيلِ﴾
    (And whosoever of you does that, then indeed he has gone astray from the straight path.) ﴿60:1﴾. Allah said,

    ﴿يَـأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ الْكَـفِرِينَ أَوْلِيَآءَ مِن دُونِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ أَتُرِيدُونَ أَن تَجْعَلُواْ للَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ سُلْطَاناً مُّبِيناً ﴾
    (O you who believe! Take not for friends disbelievers instead of believers. Do you wish to offer Allah a manifest proof against yourselves) ﴿4:144﴾, and,

    ﴿يَـأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَـرَى أَوْلِيَآءَ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَآءُ بَعْضٍ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُمْ مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ مِنْهُمْ﴾
    (O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends, they are but friends of each other. And whoever befriends them, then surely, he is one of them.) ﴿5:51﴾.

    Allah said, after mentioning the fact that the faithful believers gave their support to the faithful believers among the Muhajirin, Ansar and Bedouins,

    ﴿وَالَّذينَ كَفَرُواْ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَآءُ بَعْضٍ إِلاَّ تَفْعَلُوهُ تَكُنْ فِتْنَةٌ فِى الاٌّرْضِ وَفَسَادٌ كَبِيرٌ ﴾
    (And those who disbelieve are allies of one another, (and) if you do not behave the same, there will be Fitnah and oppression on the earth, and a great mischief and corruption.) ﴿8:73﴾.

    Allah said next,


    ﴿إِلاَ أَن تَتَّقُواْ مِنْهُمْ تُقَـةً﴾
    (unless you indeed fear a danger from them) meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda' said, "We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.'' Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, "The Tuqyah is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.'' Allah said,


    ﴿وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللَّهُ نَفْسَهُ﴾
    (And Allah warns you against Himself.) meaning, He warns you against His anger and the severe torment He prepared for those who give their support to His enemies, and those who have enmity with His friends,

    ﴿وَإِلَى اللَّهِ الْمَصِيرُ﴾
    (And to Allah is the final return) meaning, the return is to Him and He will reward or punish each person according to their deeds."



    The Hadith:

    Sahih Muslim, Vol.6, Hadith [6633] 101 - (2605),

    "Chapter 27. Prohibition Of Lying, And What Is Permitted Thereof
    [6633] 101 - (2605) Humaid bin 'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Awf narrated that his mother, Umm Kulthum bint 'Uqbah bin Abi Mu'ait -- who was one of the first Muhajir women who swore alligiance to the Prophet--told him that she heard the Messenger of Allah say: "He is not a liar who reconciles between people, saying good things and conveying good things."
    Ibn Shihab said (in his Hadith that she said): "I did not hear of any concession being granted concerning anything that people call lies except in three cases: War, reconciling among people, and what a man says to his wife or a woman says to her husband."


    Sahih Muslim, Vol.2 (Summarized edition), Book 55, Chapter 49, hadith 1810,

    "(49) CHAPTER. Permissible lies
    1810. Umm Kulthum bint 'Uqbah bin Abu Mu'ait (who was from the first emigrants) narrated that she heard the Messenger of Allah saying: "He who makes peace between people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar."
    Ibn Shihab said: "I heard nothing where what people say can be permissible as lies except in three: war, to make people reconcile and a man's talk to make his wife happy."
    In another narration: Umm Kulthum said: "I heard nothing permissible as a lie except these three."



    Well that just cover all relations with unbelievers! And sorry for the long post but here but you failed to recognize Islamic Law. Here again is another well known book on Islamic Jurisprudence about how jihad is fought.

    Islamic Jurisprudence (Fiqh):

    Provisions Of The Afterlife: Which Lie Within Prophetic Guidance (translation by Ismail Abdus Salaam), pp.260-263,

    "His Guidance Concerning Jihaad
    Jihaad is the peak of Islaam which grants one of the highest status in this life and the next. As for the messenger of Allaah (may Allaah send salutations upon him) , he reached the summit having engaged in all forms of jihaad. Consequently, he relied upon his heart, tongue, limbs, and sword. For this reason, he was the greatest of creation.
    Allaah commanded him to engage in jihaad when he said: {if we pleased, we would send a warner to every village, so disobey the infidels and wage jihaad against them} [Al Furqaan/51-52].

    This chapter was revealed in Makka. It obliged the believers to wage jihaad using the Qur'aan, and Allaah has said: {O Prophet, wage jihaad against the hypocrites and disbelievers. Their abode is hell which is the worst destination} [At Tawba/73].

    It is more difficult to wage jihaad against the hypocrites than it is to wage jihaad against the disbelievers, and the former jihaad is waged by a special group of people who are the heirs of the messengers. Although they are few, they are great to Allaah.
    Since one of the greatest forms of jihaad is to speak the truth despite major opposition, the jihaad of the messengers was most complete.
    Since the jihaad which is waged against the disbelievers stems from the jihaad which is waged against the soul, the former jihaad takes precedence over the latter jihaad, and the prophet (may Allaah send salutations upon him) has said: (the mujaahid is one is wages jihaad against his soul to become more obedient to Allaah, and the muhaajir is the one who abandons what he has prohibited). As a result, one who does not wage jihaad against his soul to become more obedient cannot wage jihaad against the enemy.
    Jihaad cannot be waged against the aforementioned enemies until another enemy is fought, and he attempts to dissuade man from this jihaad. He is Shaytaan, and Allaah the most high has said: {Shaytaan is your enemy, so treat him as such} [Faatir/6].

    The slave has been commanded to wage jihaad against these three enemies, and Allaah had granted them authority as a test for the believers. However, he has provided them with arms.
    The most high has said: {We have made some of you trial for others} [Al Furqaan/20].

    {We shall test you until we know which of you are patient and wage jihaad} [Muhammad/31].

    He has given his slaves intellect, perception, and revelation. He is also granted them angelic support, and he has said: {I am with you} [Al Anfaal/12].

    He has informed the believers that if they comply with his demand they will continue to be victorious over their enemies, and that if they are not, it is because they have been disobedient. However, he has ordered them to resume jihaad in this case, and he has informed them that he supports those who are relevant and patient.
    He defends the believers in accordance with their faith. Consequently, as faith becomes stronger, so does the defense of Allaah.
    Allaah has commanded the believers to wage jihad as he has commanded them to revere him, and it is waged so that the body may submit completely to Allah. Simultaneously, one fights Shaytaan by disobeying him and disregarding his promises and threats. Once this war begins, one will become capable of fighting enemies of Allaah so that his word may become uppermost. The early believers have given various definitions of jihaad. Ibn 'Abbaas has said: it is to act and worship as required. 'Abdullah Bin Al Mubaarak has said: it is to combat the soul and desire. Some have thought that the two verses of jihaad and reverence enjoin what one is incapable of, though every slave is able to revere Allaah and wage jihaad as required. In fact, this obligation varies according to strength and knowledge. Consequently, what is required of one who is knowledgeable and capable is not required of one who is not, and consider how he concluded by saying: {he has chosen you and has not imposed a burden upon you} [Al Hajj/78].

    In addition, the prophet (may Allaah send salutations upon him) has said: (I have been sent with monotheism and leniancy).
    Allaah has allowed one to repent at any time and will accept repentance until the sun rises from the west, and he has offered various methods of expiation such as charity, good deeds, and affliction. He has also provided lawful alternatives which are more favorable and enjoyable than their unlawful counterparts. He creates difficulty as a test, though it is preceded and followed by ease. As a result, Allaah could not oblige one to act beyond his capability.

    The Levels Of Jihaad
    "There are four levels of jihaad: jihaad waged against the soul, jihaad waged against Shaytaan, jihaad waged against disbelievers, and jihaad waged against hypocrites.

    1. One wages jihaad against his soul so that he may learn the religion of truth which is the sole source of happiness and success.
    2. One wages jihaad against his soul so that he may act once he has learned. Otherwise, knowledge would be futile if not harmful.
    3. One wages jihaad against the his soul so that he may teach. Otherwise, he would be like those who withhold the guidance of Allaah. Consequently, his knowledge would not save him from the punishment of Allaah,
    4. One wages jihaad against his soul so that he may endure the difficulty of teaching, and he does so entirely for Allaah.
    Once one has completed these four levels, he joins the ranks of those who know the truth and act accordingly.
    Fighting Shaytaan
    This jihaad has two levels:
    1.One wages jihaad against Shaytaan to repel the doubt which he casts.
    2.One wages jihaad against Shaytaan to repel his temptation.
    Consequently, certainty follows the first jihaad while patience follows the second jihaad, and the most high has said: {We made some of them leaders due to their patience and certainty} [As Sajda/24].

    Allaah has informed us that religion leadership is attained with patience and certainty, because patience repels lowly desires while certainty repels doubt.
    Fighting The Disbelievers And Hypocrites
    This jihaad has four levels:
    1. the heart
    2. the tongue
    3. wealth
    4. the body
    The hand is usually used when waging jihaad against the disbelievers while the tongue is usually used when waging jihaad against the hypocrites.
    Fighting Tyrants, Innovators, And Evildoers
    This jihaad has three levels:
    1.the hand
    2.the tongue
    3.the heart
    The first level is the highest level.
    Thirteen levels of jihaad have preceded, and the prophet (may Allaah send salutations upon him) has said: (if one dies without participating in jihaad or wishing to do so, he dies in a state of hypocrisy).
    Jihaad Is Incomplete Without Migration
    Jihaad is incomplete without migration and there is no jihaad or migration without faith. As for those who seek the mercy of Allaah, they neglect none of these acts. Allaah the most high has said: {those who believe, migrate, and fight seek the mercy of Allaah, and he is forgiving and merciful} [Al Baqara/218]."


    Provisions Of The Afterlife, p.286,

    "Subsequently, Allaah enjoined war against all polytheists. In fact, analysis reveals that jihaad is an individual obligation, whether it be spiritual, monetary, verbal, or physical. As for physical jihaad, it is a collective obligation and the truth of the matter is that monetary jihaad is also a collective obligation, because Allaah has enjoined the former and latter, and he has said: {proceed in any manner and wage jihaad with your lives and wealth for the sake of Allaah. If you only knew that this is better for you} [At Tawva/41].
    Jihaad leads to paradise, and the most high has asked: {O you who believe, shall I inform you of a transaction which will spare you a painful punishment. Believe in Alaah and his messenger and wage jihaad with your lives and wealth for his sake. If you only knew that this is better for you. He will forgive you and place you in fine homes amidst the rivers of paradise. That is the greatest victory} [As Saff/10-12].
    Jihaad leads to victory, and Allaah has said: {and other bounties which you will like} [As Saff/12]."
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    Islam is a religious, political and cultural worldview that covers all aspects of life. You seems to think Islam is about religion when 90% of Islam is political. No Muslim on earth has more authority over Islam than Muhammad. He has the final say in all matters Islam. Muslims seems to love Muhammad more than they do Allah. This is because Allah was just the sock puppet of Muhammad.

    The Call to Jihad was removed from all later Editions of the Muhsin Khan Noble Qur'an because that would draw too much attention to Islam in general. The year that Edition was released was when we saw the first attempt on the World Trade Center in 1993. The Edition is 1993/94 and very hard to find. I got mine on Amazon and had no idea what would arrive in the mail since it was a mystery purchase. I received a full size Muhsin Khan in like-new condition for just $6.00! I can sell it for a whole lot more. But for the sake of antiquity and research I keep in it my library where all documents are safe. The Edition being read by jihadists of 9-11 attacks was the 1993/94 Edition of the Muhsin Khan. The passage that inspire the 9-11 attacks was Qur'an 44-9-11 - the smoke.

    In theory I believe that the Muslim I bought the Qur'an of 9-11 (Muhsin Khan Noble Qur'an 1993/94 w/Call To Jihad) was just trying to get rid of it out of guilt. Perhaps this Muslim had a hunch that I was anti-Islam and wanted to further my knowledge. Some Muslims just want to see the end of Islam...the end of misery. Either that or the Muslim thought I was a jihadist and thought that sending me the Call To Jihad Edition would encourage me to go all out jihad style. But having this Qur'an in my possession is like having one of Hitler's own copies of Mein Kampf. Its a dark piece of history and one we have not seen the end of. There are Muslims still planning and plotting to kill us; and there are liberals who want another Nazi Germany. When we combine the two factors together we see two historical atrocities repeating again in the 21st century. The first is the Muslims and the Helpers. Then there was Hitler and the Mufti. Today both events go back to the Muslims and the Helpers (liberals aiding and abetting Islamic jihadists).



    You have a Walt Disney view of Islam. They are not going to ever listen to progressives. They will not re-write the Qur'an to please planet progressives. Muslims have openly admitted numerous times that they are just going to conquer planet progressive -- the same people who defend jihadists and give them shelter and special status over all other citizens.

    I don't believe all Muslims are terrorists. But I do hold them down to their beliefs because that's what they believe. The weak progressive way of handling terrorism merely emboldens jihadists to attack. Muslims don't respect weakness. Notice how with Trump they are not messing with America like they were under Bush #43 and Obama. Trump don't play by progressive rules of war and that bothers jihadists. Trump will go in and kill them and leave behind nothing but crying widows. He's not playing games. Obama was weak which is way Isis grew stronger and stronger. Trump has already taken away their power.

    Muslims are not going to reconcile their texts. It don't work that way. We Christians won't allow the Bible to be compromised either. Progressives want us to remove verses and passages in the Bible that condemn homosexuality but it will never happen. Progressives don't live in reality.


    I used to have plenty of video evidence but FB deleted all of it. Fascism is how Muslims conquer.

    The Nazis were a small minority and look what happened to Germany! Muslims are much more dangerous than the Nazis were because Muslims believe they fight and kill for Allah - to conquer the world for Allah. They have no respect for life and are not rational actors. If they get nukes they will use them. Russia knows its mutually assured destruction which is why we don't get nuked by the Russians. But Muslims don't care about it since their paradise is some mystical realm....a celestial paradise.
    Muslims have 7 children per household. They know they can out breed any abortion driven nation that only has a national birth rate of 1.5 children per household. Do the math.

    Britain has averaged 3 Islamic jihadist attacks a month. And these so-called "white supremacists" you refer to are all been proven to be registered Democrats. They are shooting people to advance their agenda. I don't yet know the motive of the recent gunman in Texas, but the last gunman was a registered Democrat who listened to death metal and openly worshiped Satan. He was a Sander's and Warren supporter.

    Islam has the world's largest army of 1.6 billion soldiers. They are patient attackers and they don't seek fame in this life. They will pass the torch to the next generation or however long it takes. There are 54 Islamic States in the world and rising. Those nations used to be something else. When Muhammad died he had conquered all of Arabia. Yet after Muhammad there are now 54 States and 270-million dead people in the process of carving out those 54 Islamic States. Lebanon is one of the more recent Islamic States. It was a very peaceful and culturally advanced Christian nation. But after liberals in Lebanon allowed Islamic emigration it ended in slaughter as is always the case when Muslims get the upper hand.
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    Ever since Sadiq Khan became Mayor of London terrorist attacks increased to 3 a month. He said terrorist attacks are just part and parcel of living in a big city. Bull! Tokyo is much larger than London and no terrorist attacks. This is because there are very few Muslims in Japan.

    There are no benefits to illegal immigration!

    So you are willing to gamble and throw dice with the lives of every American? So you just think we should sit back and see who's right? I have history that proves you wrong. 1400 years of Islamic history don't lie. Anyone dumb enough to gamble with the odds will see the horror of Islamic intolerance in this lifetime if the Dems win another election. The Muslims know the Dems are weak and they hate Jews. So they want gullible people like yourself to keep fighting for their cause so that their children can kill your children. That's how they operate. Islam is not a nice religion and Muslims are not nice people if they willing follow the world's most hateful and brutal religion ever.
     
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    What an arrogant attitude some people have. "I won't argue my point you will just accept it because I think I'm right."
     
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    Again, so humble with his admission that he doesn't engage with others with an intent to learn anything himself.
     
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    Big difference between argumentative teenagers and education. I don't argue. I educate. I don't need to be argumentative when I have the proper knowledge. You can call that arrogant all you want. But your opinion is destroyed by facts in all aspects of life. In auto mechanics you acrually have to have the proper knowledge of auto mechanics. Likewise in all fields of study. Who cares about opinions. I think most people want to hear the facts and not all the piss poor liberal excuses.

    The logical law of identity says A is A - not non-A. You are willing to use irrelevant non-A arguments that have no authority in Islam. Progressives don't have any authority over Islam. Why should I listen to what they say? They are non-A irrelevants. Why not just go to the horses mouth? Why not study Islam from Islam's most trusted sources? That sure makes a whole lotta sense to. If we have a discussion on Christianity I will stick to The Biblical Christian faith and early church fathers if necessary. I won't listen to anything a progressive has to say. For the progressive view on religion is blatantly stupid. They claim all religion are one and the same. A person has to be in their most gullible state of mind to believe such nonsense.

    When we discuss Islam we use Islamic Scripture. Islamic Scripture is the Qur'an and Sunnah. While the Sunnah makes up 84% of the Islamic Canon of Scripture, the Qur'an the most important book of Islam. Then when it comes to interpreting verses from the Qur'an not just any Muslim is allowed to interpret the Qur'an. Muslims are not allow to ask questions - as in probing too deep into their beliefs. Therefore there are tafsir scholars who interpret the Qur'an for you. The best Tafsir scholars of all Islam are as listed in order:

    1. Tafsir AlTabari
    2. Tafsir Ibn Kathir
    3. Tafsir Al-Qurtubi
    4. Tafisir Al-Jalalayn

    Ibn Kathir is the #1 Islamic scholar on the portents of the hours (Islamic Tribulation).

    I use all the best sources because it was former Muslims who got me started on this research. They told me the books they all read. One of those former Muslims sent me two large boxes full of Islamic books. But I bought many more Islamic books once I had a grasp on Islam.

    People trust me with research because I have built up a good reputation over the years. I have earned the trust of people by demonstrating time and time again that I can bring out things in research that many other scholars miss. During my flat earth research I found 35 globe earth verses in the Bible that Bible scholars long forgot about. Though I do own much thanks to the world's top scholar in the Matthew's Bible for getting me involved in the research of that Bible. That helped me understand tebel and tebel is the end of flat earth. And now, I'm doing something some may say is very risky, on the borderline of rebellion. I solved Genesis chapter one in perfect harmony in science. However, my explanation is not in perfect agreement with creationists today. Some creationists are upset with me over this. But my intention was and is not rebellion or division. Its a true understanding and I realized my view of Genesis was flawed after reading how the early church fathers understood it. So I went by their understanding and took it one step further and solved it. Right now I am getting a little grief from those who are in higher positions than I am. But in the end, once again, I will proof my analysis is correct and win their respect. I've already given a few short lectures on it with full approval.

    So I'm not pumping out a bunch of silly crap on this forum. I've been fair-minded by using Islamic texts and their own interpretation of the Qur'an. I did my homework well and posted it here as a warning to all members of this forum that we need to stop all this sympathy for Islam before its too late. I am not joking either. Had the Russians took my tip-off seriously that airliner would not have been shot down in the Sinai Peninsula. A week later after I handed them the name of the mastermind behind the plot the plane was shot down. Yet I tip off the Russians about that attack. I found the plot on FB and the mastermind lived in Moscow.

    Look, I know at times I can be very outspoken. But I'm honest. My best quality as a human being is that I don't lie. I haven't told a lie in 16 years. I have no reason to lie since there is more power in truth than telling a lie. A lie is only a temporary thrill. Sooner or later that lie is found out. So truth is a great power than lies.
     
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    And you do? I learn only from those who are willing and capable of educating me. Harsh rhetoric and trolling teaches me nothing. I only listen to facts that are very well presented.
     
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    This is so sociopathic lmfao. Hard to tell a lie when you've convinced yourself the bullshit you spew is fact.

    I don't go around claiming I educate people, retarded faggot.

    Thought you had me on ignore?
     
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    Just because you think you haven't told a lie doesn't mean you have told the truth either. For instance you were not completely honest with fact that you had me on ignore were you. Oh yeah sooner or later a lie gets found out, that's when it's time to tell another one to cover up the first one.
     
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    I can continue to ignore you anytime.
     
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    One lie covers another.
     

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