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Discussion in 'LORD' started by Nebulous, Feb 17, 2008.

  1. Nebulous

    Nebulous Daniel

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    Lately as I get closer and work more at getting some original music together for my first metal band, I find myself struggling with lyrics, not only my own, but those of other artists. Some songs I can really connect with, others I will get what's being said, though without much connection and other times I find a total lack of connection or interest. It can be even worse with cheesy lyrics.

    How do you all fair with lyrics, especially in heavier music?
    No problems? Too much of the same thing? Boring? Are there certain things you prefer to hear about in music, or does it all depend on how it sounds in the context of the song?
     
  2. TheDenimRager

    TheDenimRager Hats make things better.

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    Lyrics are SO important. Totally underrated. They are at least as important as the music. To ignore them or not consider them important is like watching a movie with the sound muted.
     
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    I don't really care to much about lyrics, most of the music I do hasn't got any singers in it anyways. But for me if there are lyrics they don't have to mean anything, as long as they sound good, I prefer the way the words work together and how they form melody. But everyone is different.
     
  4. Nebulous

    Nebulous Daniel

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    Hence this thread :)
     
  5. Mean Machine

    Mean Machine Happy Little Boozer

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    Bad lyrics do nothing to turn me away from a song but great lyrics really add an extra something special, some more depth. For me, lyrics can make a song better but not worse.

    Unless it's like.... Christian conversion lyrics or something else I completely disagree with, but that's rare. But even then, it doesn't make the actual song bad, I just refuse to listen to it on principle.
     
  6. Nebulous

    Nebulous Daniel

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    That was one point I forgot to add to the original post and was just thinking about. How do people find preachy or consistently positive/ negative lyrics?
     
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    Lyrics are important to me. I don't mind preachy stuff - I listen to a lot of Living Sacrifice, As I Lay Dying, Believer, etc.

    But I also listen to stuff that is insanely negative, like Demonoid for example :p

    So yes, I like to read the lyrics booklets when I buy a CD. And I like to read about the inspiration behind songs too.

    As long as the lyrics work with the music, is whats important to me. For example, I love Dragonforce - YES, the lyrics are cheesy, but they match the music perfectly :)
     
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    TheDenimRager Hats make things better.

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    Personally, I would advise that the first step to writing good lyrics is to figure out what you want to say. Instantly, that will bewilder most people, but everyone has something they want to say, you just need to think of what makes you feel - whatever emotion, happiness, sadness, anger, whatever. Get in touch with what moves you, and the rest will flow.
    Oh, and do me a favour, avoid writing about love :lol:, unless you have some wildly original angle, its been done to death.
     
  9. Robotman

    Robotman Gun Kata

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    Oh, I think I just did.

    Oh wait, wrong forum.

    :p
     
  10. Lord Tim

    Lord Tim That guy from LORD

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    Lyrics are very important to a good song. To me, nothing ruins a great song more than absolutely cringeworthy lyrics.

    Like everyone said, find out what you want to say and say it, basically. If you want to achieve a certain goal, be it shock or an emotion or conveying a message or just a dumb adventure story, then go for it, but find an angle in the way you do the lyrics that are fitting to the music and will strike an emotional chord with the listener. I also tend to like to write in a lot of metaphors rather than saying "the girl went to the shop to get milk" straight out, so to speak.

    What are some of the lyrics that inspire you? Why?

    That's a good place to start looking for your answer. :)
     
  11. Lord Tim

    Lord Tim That guy from LORD

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    I agree with that too. Sometimes it's not what's said but HOW it's said. Is a certain word stronger or does it give the line a better flow or impact, even if another word is better poetically? The drama and phrasing of lyrics really are important and it's amazing how many bands I've worked with that have no idea about that..!
     
  12. Nebulous

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    Haha, I was expecting discussion more than advice, but thanks anyway :p

    What are some peoples' favourite lyrics/ writers?

    I'm pretty sure my absolute fave would be Mikael Stanne of Dark Tranquillity. Pure Awsome.
     
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    It's interesting actually.. becuase i find that lyrics don't have to be particularly awesome with some bands, particularly ones like Porcupine Tree and Pink Floyd (some would dispute this, but a lot of their lyrics weren't anything that special in themselves) are able to get away with creating awesome songs, with great feels. Steve Wilson is by no means a poet, but his lyrics REALLY fit his songs, i find even more-so on the more chilled out ones, like even less. Then again, there are some genres that i find need good lyrics more-so, like rap and hip-hop. Nothing pisses me off more than that gutter trash hip-hop that is basically churning out morons rapping about bullshit. However, artists like Tupac and Nas really knew/know how to write some decent passages.
     
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    Lord Tim That guy from LORD

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    My fav' lyric writer would have to be Simon Le Bon. The imagery he creates through metaphors and the really off beat yet balanced phrasing really works well, I think.

    Surprisingly, I also like some of Phil Anselmo's lyrics for the more aggressive style of lyrics. It was a lot of "tough guy" shit when you get down to it in some songs, but when you really do break it down, there's again a lot of really clever use of imagery to tell the story rather than blatantly saying "then the cat sat on the mat".
     
  15. pipsqeek

    pipsqeek Musical Delinquent

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    I find that a lot of songs I listen to have really crappy lyrics. But the way they are sung is spectacular. It is another instrument in the band. Why should it not hold as much or less importance as every other instrument.

    pips
     
  16. TheDenimRager

    TheDenimRager Hats make things better.

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    Bahh, Stefano! If lyrics aren't important, then Christina Aguilera is awesome.

    The dude from Chalice, Mustaine in political mode, Demaio (ref: Mountains), Tracii Guns, Chuck Billy.

    I understand what you mean about PT, IMHO I think Wilson concentrates much more on the production than the lyrics, so they can be a little bland sometimes, but Pink Floyd have written some of the most amazing lyric passages ever. Time? Wish You Were Here??
     
  17. Nebulous

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    Oh yeah, Chuck Billy is definately at the top end of my list too.
     
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    Noted, they have; and i agree that Pink Floyd have written some great lyrics and of course they have enhanced the song, though they have also written a lot of average lyrics... I think Pink Floyd are a bit harder to classify becuase so many band members write songs and lyrics; it probably wasn't the best example.
     
  19. TheDenimRager

    TheDenimRager Hats make things better.

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    :oops: I forgot the Boss.

    Oh, and Lance, rhythm has been part and parcel of poetry for millennia, its just the same. As far as I'm concerned, Springsteen is up there with Keats and Byron.
     
  20. Goreripper

    Goreripper Metal as fuck

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    Yeah dude Springsteen is amazing. My favourite lyricists are Springsteen, Alice Cooper, Nick Cave, Phil Lynott and Chris Cornell.
     

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