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Matrix: Reloaded *SPOILERS!!!*

Discussion in 'Symphony X (Unofficial)' started by theodyssey, May 19, 2003.

  1. Bassmasta

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    I know what you mean. During the whole movie some little assclown beside me was eating popcorn very loudly, and all throughout the Architect's speech too. Stupid little f*cks.

    God I hate how people can be at movie theaters. Do what you want during previews, but during the movie SHUT THE F*CK UP! I DIDN'T PAY 11 DOLLARS FOR NOTHING

    And that's my rant.
     
  2. Aussie_Outlaw

    Aussie_Outlaw King Of Fools

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    [color=#AOEOOA]The twins are not dead. They're listed as actors in the 3rd.

    As for the real world being a matrix it's not really that hard to conceive. it's exactly the same process, just that it's another part of the world bound by the same rules as the real matrix. Since they didnt believe they were in the matrix once they stood in the real world they didnt try to bend the laws of gravity and what not.

    It's perfectly conceivable.

    The dance scene and french guy scene was totally un-necessary and the fight scene ontop of the truck just didnt sit right. Didn't seem decent.

    However the movie was fairly easy to follow, I can't understand how anyone cant follow it. And yes if you didn't recognise the guy at the end is Agent Smith then you need your eyes and memory examined.[/color]
     
  3. mark_bwaite

    mark_bwaite One Man Gang

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    My theory is Neo will be able to use his powers anywhere he chooses eventually.

    @thyodyssey: The architect being perceived currently as the "creator" of the Matrix, I think he is pretty important at this point in the story.
     
  4. Mr. Shred-ididle

    Mr. Shred-ididle Its Chinese-Tilt ya' head

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    I don't normally do it. But when I saw undercover brother, they did the same thing to me, so this is my revenge!
     
  5. 'Shuggah

    'Shuggah So sweet?

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    In the beginning I was much more impressed with the movie than in the end. I could see Neo rescuing Trinity miles away. :D (What is it with these movies anyway? The first part is always good, but the sequel never lives up to its predecessor. It's just the same stuff in a bigger and prettier package.)

    It just struck me that Matrix:Reloaded would have worked much better as a music video. I mean think about it - All those neatly coreographed fight scenes with cool-ass visual appeal and the thumping, growling techno music underneath. Just chop off excess dialoque and voilá!. :D

    If Neo is really the chosen one, he should be able to teleport. Flying around like superman looked real campy all the time. Especially in the end, when he dragged half the town along in his pressure wave. :D
     
  6. The Yngster

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    Flying is so much cooler than teleporting.
     
  7. Sixxxpounder

    Sixxxpounder Kill Your Gods

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    .Neo doesn't want to destroy the Matrix. He still wants it to exist, because that's where the true freedom is. He wants the people to be able to experience the freedom he does. He pretty much says it at the end of the first film.
    I think Neo is more or less a machine. I mean, it kind of implied that when he said "Something's different. I can feel them" at the end of Reloaded, and he stopped the Sentinals. I don't know though, that's just what I think.
    I think a whole lot of fucking things about that movie, cause I've seen them both a thousand times and love them, and find a new meaning behind them each time. According to Andy Wachowski, he said no one will ever know how many hidden meanings there are in that movie.
    I don't know, anyway.
     
  8. Harp Heaven

    Harp Heaven Culture Vulture

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    Seen it twice on VCD now, and I must say I was a tad disappointed. Though the movie is still ripe with many hidden meanings, aliterations and allusions, it suffers from a technological overkill. Everything simply became too much. I don`t know about you, but after a while, all the wire-fu, CGI and explosions just made me yawn. Some of the dialogue made me cringe, especially Morpheus` speech to Zion and the pseudo-techno babble of the Oracle. The whole movie could have done perfectly without Persephones kiss, zion rave and the orgasm-cake.

    There were, however, many great scenes and dialogue. The scene between Agent Smith and Neo in the backyard was great, and the fight that followed...well, it`s the most incredible thing I`ve ever seen. Period. I liked the Architect, as he represents the cold logic and reason of the male sex, as the Oracle embodies the warm maternity of the female(a thing I noticed). Whoever played him did a great job. Monica Bellucci was gorgeous, as was Carrie-Anne Moss. Car chase..amazing.
     
  9. Mr. Shred-ididle

    Mr. Shred-ididle Its Chinese-Tilt ya' head

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    I've just come home from seeing it now!!
    WOW - what can I say? Amazing! The best effects I've seen with a fantastic story that can have so many meanings and concepts. I can't wit to the next one.

    PS - the next time you see it at the movies, watch all the credits (which takes so long) at the end and then it shows a preview for the Matrix Revolutions. Which looks great also!
     
  10. CrimsonForever

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    I totally agree that the fights were too long. Somewhere in the middle there, it seemed like the movie just turned into some cheesy action movie. Most of the stuff in Zion was pretty unnecessary too. Kinda liked the way the plot progressed, with the architect and all, made one think a lot, just like the first movie did. All in all though, I think this movie was kind of disappointing.
     
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    I think that a lot of people are letting some very little things ruin the entire movie for them. Its not going to be perfect...
     
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    I agree totally. A lot of you guys are way too picky.
     
  13. Brood of Evil

    Brood of Evil The Drapery Falls

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    For all of you who missed to catch on the whole Neo - Architect scene, he're a little transcript of the conversation between the two:

    The Architect - Hello, Neo.

    Neo - Who are you?

    The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant.

    Neo - Why am I here?

    The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

    Neo - You haven't answered my question.

    The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

    *The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Others? What others? How many? Answer me!"*

    The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

    *Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Five versions? Three? I've been lied too. This is bull****."*

    Neo: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.

    The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

    *Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "You can't control me! **** you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me do anything!*

    Neo - Choice. The problem is choice.

    *The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room*

    The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

    Neo - The Oracle.

    The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

    Neo - This is about Zion.

    The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

    Neo - Bull****.

    *The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Bull****!"*

    The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

    *Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room.*

    The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

    Neo - You won't let it happen, you cant. You need human beings to survive.

    The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.

    *The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors*

    The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.

    *Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neos dream appear on the monitors*

    Neo - Trinity.

    The Architect - Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

    Neo - No!

    The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.

    *Neo walks to the door on his left*

    The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

    Neo - If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.

    The Architect - We won't
     
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    Thanks for posting that man, I had a hard time catching all of that :)
     
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    Watching the entire scece, i didn't understand a thing. I thought that that scene was made not to explain or reveal more. It brought out even more questions to my mind. The only thing i can conclude is, the matrix is an endless cycle.

    The only question that really bothered me was how the hell did Neo stop the Sentinels from chasing them. He didn't have the capabilities to stop them. If he was in the matrix, he could have. So does that mean that the real world is kinda like the Matrix or is Neo really the one and the prophecy is true.
     
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    They did all this on purpose, its supposed to make us want to see Revolutions.
     
  17. Polyeidus

    Polyeidus I know you're out there

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    The Persiphone kissing scene was pretty cool, but there wasn't any really important meaning behind it.

    If anyone has played/beaten the Enter the Matrix vid game, you know what I'm talking about. You can play both Niobe and Ghost, and believe it or not they BOTH kiss Persiphone in the game!
     
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    The game looks sweet.
     
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    Will you buy the animatrix? I'm really excited about it but don't know if i'll buy it.
     
  20. theodyssey

    theodyssey Best Album of the Year

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    i don't think i will buy it... just because i am not that big into it... and it looked kinda crappy IMO. Yeah, i think with the matrix, you like it or you don't. I found a lot to bitch about, but i left the theater with a feeling of satisfaction, so i think it was a good movie overall, if not great.
     

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