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Discussion in 'The Philosopher' started by derek, Jan 17, 2006.

  1. infoterror

    infoterror Member

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    I think it depends on the person. We're not all the same. Some take to education, others fight it. What matters to my mind are two things - discipline and raw inclination. A 120-point serf will never have the same thoughts as 150-point aristocrat, and neither will produce anything unless they undertake a rigorous study.

    From experience, FYI, YMMV, HIV, again.
     
  2. Anvil

    Anvil Brain Bubbled

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    I did go on to say it does not apply to everyone. Although I didn't state it, I meant in a general way also. Yes, everyone IS different.

    This makes me want to make a thread...:heh:
     
  3. derek

    derek Grey Eminence

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    Noted. I tend to agree. I don't think it will ever get out of hand, but as that thread had some philosophical discussion, we let it slide. The frequent visitors, I believe is a nice concession to regular posters.

    I don't think there is any worry about making this place like any other random off-topic board.
     
  4. The Winnipeg Warrior

    The Winnipeg Warrior The Winnipeg Warrior ®

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    Interesting post. However, when that 120-point serf has the inclination, determination, and fortitude to develop and run a multi-million dollar business.....and the 150-point aristocrat is still in their 'learning phase', waiting for their 'big-break' out in academia.....I'll gladly take the former.

    Show me an individual with a 180 IQ, and I'll show you show you someone whom:

    1.) Has failed to develop a close and permanent personal relationship with another.

    2.) Has difficulty adapting and relating to their children.....if they have indeed sired any offspring.

    3.) And whom may have little if any savings or investments for their future endeavors.

    4.) Has limited adaptative life and problem-solving skills.

    As someone alluded to in another thread here, overly-institutionalized intelligence is the antithesis of primitive common sense. It acts like a cancer.....it eats away at creativity, self expression, and more importantly.....your very survival instincts. There are far too many geniuses of academia walking our streets, living in squalor, frequenting our soup kitchens, and living off of the public teet of society. We need more doers, not teachers and talkers.

    I'll take my lofty 138 IQ, and laugh all the way to the bank, thank you very much! :)

    I'll explain to anyone here how to get an education in five easy? minutes.....probably more important than an entire year spent in any place of higher learning. And these are in my words.

    "The next time you are home, get out of your comfort zone.....put your shoes on.....and go and talk to the neighbor next door. Correct.....the one that you have never introduced yourself to before. Take that leap, and strike up a conversation. Or the next time you are in a grocery, cinema, or restaurant queue.....say hello and keep the conversation going with that new individual. Probe, develop dialogue, initiate conversation, harvest and nurture the simple art of diplomacy and public speaking. The secret is.....99% of the humans on this planet cannot and refuse to do that very simple task. Why? Fear of the unknown? No. Fear of failure? No. Fear of having nothing clever to say? Wrong? The most plausible answer is fear of themselves.....and their poor self-image. Most people truly believe they are 'worthless' deep down inside.....inspite of all the glitter and glamour around them.....which they can drape themselves in and pretend to rationalize their existence. But when it comes to interacting with other members of the human race.....most run the other way and hide."

    The morale of the story: Human success in any walk of life comes down to human interaction and interpersonal relationships. Nothing else matters. If you cannot communicate effectively with those that can be influenced, or the influencers, no amount of education or specialization will ever matter. Human and skillful relations. That is the only equalizer.....which few can and will successfully act on.

    I'll take my six 'life textbooks'.....and 'menial public school education'.....and take my chances against anyone else who believes that education and intelligence can only be derived from years of classroom training and laboratory research. And I'll challenge those very principles to the core. Because in reality.....and in the end.....we are the ones whom employ those with the degrees and lofty credentials. Touché!

    That.....is the true essence of PHILOSOPHY!

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  5. infoterror

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    Depends on the long-term consequences of both. Most businesses are destructive and spiritless. Also, your post is an example of a bifurcation fallacy, e.g. it posits two extremist examples which do not conform to reality (most 120-point serfs are busy buying pickup trucks, and most aristocrats active in public service).
     
  6. speed

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    I agree with your criticism about institutionalized intelligence and interpersonal success, but, I dont see how someone opening their own business or working their way up to executive material in some corporation is of any more value to the world than a academic teaching and researching, or even a bum with a grad degree. The intelligent bum, is a sign to the world, of the fate of the intelligent--of those who refuse to conform to this system.

    Your thesis is predicated on the notion that money is the sole aim of life, and ones intelligence must be sacrificed at its altar. I for one would rather die a poor penniless bum, who protested against this form of society, than sacrifice my life to the notion of material wealth.

    And those books make me laugh. Yes, I am reminded of Saul Bellow's excellent novel Seize the Day upon your listing of such books. The persons who read such books are generally middle class, naive, ambitious--well the average American.
     
  7. RookParliament

    RookParliament I *heart* Darwin

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    The very people our great republic is designed to help prosper.
     
  8. infoterror

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    Not historically, it ain't.
     
  9. RookParliament

    RookParliament I *heart* Darwin

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    Care to expound further on that?
     
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    Demiurge This user has no title

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    I need to throw out my highbrow literature and begin reading self-help books, which will get me "thinking big" and "growing rich." Must...become...corporate...drone... :lol:
     
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    RookParliament I *heart* Darwin

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    Senior year in high school they wasted tax payer money by bringing in these motivational speakers. One handed out his book on how to network. :rolleyes:
     
  12. LORD_RED_DRAGON

    LORD_RED_DRAGON New Metal Member

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    this is a perfect explination of why i feel like i belong here
    i'm the guy that knows how to CHANGE a light bulb as opposed to the guy that knows how to MAKE a lightbulb
    i know how things work in the real world and i know how to interact with the relatively stupid real world people as opposed to the guy that's actually read philosophy books
     
  13. infoterror

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    Yes.

    The American republic was originally designed to be ruled by NW European males over age 30 who were landholders and already participating in local society.

    The founders would've been horrified at the idea of the rabble taking over, something proven correct when the events of the French Revolution were borne out and the whole thing collapsed into a horror of murder, sodomy, failure and disorganization.
     
  14. LORD_RED_DRAGON

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    when you take a cab to the grocery store, can you hold a conversation with the cab driver??? or hold a conversation with the cashier???
    sadly, for a great many of you the answer is obviously no
    (with the obvious exception of those that type on the nevermore board)
    when i go offline i successfully interact with the people that are too stupid to understand anything posted on this forum
    and i feel pride in having retaining a skill that some of you never had to begin with
     
  15. Norsemaiden

    Norsemaiden barbarian

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    Well that is a good skill to have and you're lucky to have the genes for it LRD. My Finnish genes give a different character.

    "The Culture of Finland is inherently hard to define. However, there are some general characteristics often associated with Finnish society and every day culture. Finns are generally a reserved people, like other Nordic peoples in Norway or Sweden. Traditionally, Finns enjoy peace and nature, though the modern, urban lifestyle is popular with many.

    A sense of melancholy and depression is sometimes associated with the Finns. People in Finland are reserved when meeting strangers and sometimes take a long time to become familiar with others but, as a result, relationships are deep and lasting. Alcohol is considered to be an effective method of lowering these inhibitions. Still, Finns tend to be less gregarious and inclined to small talk than most of their European peers." From Wikepedia
     
  16. infoterror

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    Socialization, like technology, must be used carefully -- and possibly, sparingly.
     
  17. Norsemaiden

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    That was really something fascinating Infoterror. That article makes so many interesting and debatable points it should be in a thread of its own. It is not really relevant so much to what LRD was saying though, because he was talking more about being sociable than socialised. But it is a related matter and worth discussing.
     
  18. infoterror

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    Good point; its tangential relevance is that when one ignores truth in favor of a sociable response, one has become oversocialized.
     
  19. LORD_RED_DRAGON

    LORD_RED_DRAGON New Metal Member

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    i still think that my posts were valid though because the people that post in chat/pop culture forums really do consider themselves as being superior to what they might refer to as "bookworm" type people
     
  20. Horus

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    Thats because pop culture told them so though.
     

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