This site is supported by the advertisements on it, please disable your AdBlocker so we can continue to provide you with the quality content you expect.

Welcome to Our Community

Wanting to join the rest of our members? Feel free to sign up today.

modern albums that aren't compressed/limited to death??

Discussion in 'F.O.H.' started by colonel kurtz, Apr 26, 2008.

  1. darth_cupboardy

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2008
    Messages:
    89
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    6
    Lateralus (album) in fact is o "un-compressed" that it sounds wierd to many of my "Metal"-friends, it's almost unnatural to them.
    But that's the loudnesswar i think.
    But i like lateralus :headbang:
     
  2. beyond dead

    beyond dead heavy metal dad \m/

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2007
    Messages:
    2,167
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Location:
    peterborough, ontario, canada
    high on fire blessed black wings!!!
     
  3. Skaldir

    Skaldir formerly known as Unicorn

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2001
    Messages:
    3,555
    Likes Received:
    15
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    Germany
    Thanks for taking the time to do this
     
  4. abyssofdreams

    abyssofdreams knows what you think.

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2002
    Messages:
    2,748
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    Germany
    Though not within the last years...
    At The Gates - Slaughter of the Soul
     
  5. Torniojaws

    Torniojaws They call me Juha

    Joined:
    May 15, 2005
    Messages:
    3,068
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    Espoo, Finland
    Although it's not a very loud sounding album, the waveform is a right sausage :lol: :

    [​IMG]
     
  6. Kazrog

    Kazrog CEO/CTO, Kazrog, Inc.

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2002
    Messages:
    5,539
    Likes Received:
    17
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    California
    I will make the argument that some types of music sound better brickwalled. Really fast aggressive metal certainly does. Porcupine Tree and Tool play infinitely more dynamic music than most.
     
  7. abyssofdreams

    abyssofdreams knows what you think.

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2002
    Messages:
    2,748
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    Germany
    That must be the re-issue?
    Mine doesn't look like this
     
  8. ahjteam

    ahjteam Anssi Tenhunen

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2008
    Messages:
    9,394
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    Virrat/Helsinki, Finland
    No problem, but it was really no big deal...

    Well it took like less than 4 minutes to download one song from an album from a random bittorrent server, then I just took it in the wave-editor without listening, took a screenshot, cropped at the same spot each time and added the text and put it next to the other waveforms and then I just deleted the song.
     
  9. MetalJonesy

    MetalJonesy more metal, more booze!!!

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2007
    Messages:
    3,598
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Location:
    Darlington/Manchester UK
    yeah i remember when the album was released and caveman saying it wasnt being mastered at all!
     
  10. ahjteam

    ahjteam Anssi Tenhunen

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2008
    Messages:
    9,394
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    Virrat/Helsinki, Finland
    It must be cool to be totally clueless?

    [​IMG]
     
  11. LydonB

    LydonB Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2005
    Messages:
    1,764
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Location:
    Ashburn, VA
    This is very true as well. I cannot really imagine something like the first full length Bloodbath album not compressed.
     
  12. ahjteam

    ahjteam Anssi Tenhunen

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2008
    Messages:
    9,394
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    Virrat/Helsinki, Finland
    I disagree. Metallica's Master of Puppets and Black album are, in my opinion, one of the best sounding metal albums productionwise, and they aren't squashed. But when I was practicing audiomastering, I actually did a "brickwall mastering" -edition of master of puppets, I still have it on my harddrive. I also did some blasphemy and made a 3.34 long radioedit from the master of puppets song :)

    [​IMG]
     
  13. whitedamp

    whitedamp Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2006
    Messages:
    505
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    Brazil
    Thanks for the sarcasm, but this is what I got here.
    [​IMG]
     
  14. ahjteam

    ahjteam Anssi Tenhunen

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2008
    Messages:
    9,394
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    Virrat/Helsinki, Finland
    You must have some other edition than I have, mine is all brickwalled.
     
  15. DestroyTheColossus

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2008
    Messages:
    281
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    I haven't taken a look at the waveform, but it seems like the Underneath The Gun CD is the most slammed CD i have heard. I know this is the less brick walled thread, but i thought it would be something to note. I think it was just mixed to be loud and then brick walled, cause it seems to tower over pretty much all the other CD's I own.
     
  16. Exocaster

    Exocaster Nozzle

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2005
    Messages:
    709
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    To be fair, it's not super-dynamic music to begin with. And Slaughter Of The Soul is fairly "natural" sounding for the genre.

    I like more organic sounding albums myself, but much of extreme metal is based around really unnatural drum sounds and guitars played through boosted high gain amps- tones with so much gain the only dynamics are bass booms on palm mutes. After giving it some thought, I'll say this: if a band makes use of dynamic shifts in their music, even subtle ones, the mastering should reflect that. If those aren't present in the music anyway- and that's an aesthetic decision by the band- all I ask is that I don't hear it clip.

    To me, even dynamics used subtly for emphasis can make heavy things sound heavier. I realize not everyone shares this opinion, and that, I think, is properly the band's- or at least the engineer's- decision, one that goes back at least to the mixing if not the tracking or even the writing stage.
     
  17. colonel kurtz

    colonel kurtz Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2006
    Messages:
    3,990
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    i definitely agree that having some sort of dynamic shift makes the "heavy" parts come off as heavier...if master of puppets was the same thrashy shit all the way through, the breakdown(or whatever you want to call it) after the instrumental passage wouldn't be nearly as impactful

    i liken it to drinking...if you drink a beer or 2 a day, then decide to smash a bottle of liquor 1 night, you're going to be way trashed. however if you start drinking a bottle everyday, then pretty soon it's just the norm, and it'll take a damn near lethal amount of alcohol to actually get drunk.
     
  18. 26

    26 Muzak by request

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2007
    Messages:
    751
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    Sirious B
    I really never saw the concept of duality explained closer to life :kickass:
     
  19. colonel kurtz

    colonel kurtz Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2006
    Messages:
    3,990
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    yea, well, at the end of the day, i think anything/everything can be related to the drink :kickass:
     
  20. skuller

    skuller Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2007
    Messages:
    240
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    SL, UT

Share This Page