But again that falls back to ... ??? .... say Miles Davis ? Frank Zappa ? , just off the wall shit because they were having fun or experimenting. Or do we need to reach back to classical ?(which I grant you had the flow, they used to torture people in those days that seemed a bit off the hook) Then what you are saying about doing odd measure for the sheer fact of it could be said about gurgling into a microphone because its the statis quo of current "sickness" ... amiright? I do know what your saying about forced movements, I struggle not to force stuff sometimes myself. But here it seemed some were saying odd measures is THE problem. Whatever, its just progressive music to me, theres many forms of it, from DT to SX to Threshold to Opeth to Porcupine Tree. I just cant sweat a genre that still produces good bands and music. I also understand to some degree multiple personalities or at least moods, random stuff can make sense to me.