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Opinions: Worst and best lyricists.

Discussion in 'Non-Opeth Music Chat' started by Kamel, Jul 8, 2009.

  1. Kamel

    Kamel Trollhunter

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    in the beggining I intended to read opinions about the lyricists of all genres, but then, according to your opinions, I decided to delimit the topic to Metal & Rock lyricists.

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    Well, I've heard so many good singers being totally lousy when writing lyrics that I couldn't say for sure who's the worst to me, but I surely know who's one of the best,

    Henry Rollins
    James hetfield
    Anthony kiedis

    Surely the best lyricist I've ever heard is Dave Mustaine.

    I'll write more later, i gotta go.

    Cheers.
     
  2. Lateralus14

    Lateralus14 New Metal Member

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    Lol, take James Hetfield out of there, he's just another metal lyricist and if you throw him in there you have to toss in a few thousand more names to be fair. And I dont want to see such a wall of text. So yea, metal's pretty much out because it's a no brainer.

    So um...the lyrics on Fear of a Blank Planet were pretty dreadful as we already discussed.
     
  3. Holocaust on the Moon

    Holocaust on the Moon Temples of Syrinx

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    worst: John Anderson from Yes. Since he wrote most of the lyrics based on how they sound rather than what they mean, they are completely incoherent.
     
  4. FJChaos

    FJChaos Señor Member

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    Best: Jesper Stromblad and Niklas Sundlin
    Worst: James Hetfield (now)
     
  5. Prophet178

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    Best in metal or in all genres?
     
  6. Kamel

    Kamel Trollhunter

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    well, let's say "worst and best metal and rock lyricist"
     
  7. Prophet178

    Prophet178 Member

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    Hmmm okay, rock is pretty broad, but I think I know what you mean.

    Ummm metal first I guess

    Just my personal thought... metal doesn't tend to rely on lyrics as heavily as other genres of music, so faulting a metal band for bad lyrics shouldn't really play a big part in your opinion on the band, at least not for me.

    Best:
    Jake Bannon (Converge) - I used to listen to Converge and not understand what the fuck this guy was saying, but I opened up the lyric booklet and read along with his incoherent screaming and it all made sense. His lyrics are like poetry about everything and anything this guy can think of. His outlook on love in Jane Doe is perfect.

    Brent Hinds/Troy Sanders/Brann Dailor (Mastodon) - Who else could write lyrics based around Steven Hawkings black hole theories and czarist Russia?

    Toby Driver (maudlin of the Well/solo projects) - I don't really like the guys bands, but theres no doubt he writes some good lyrics.

    Michael Akerfeldt - Of course... this being an Opeth forum... but I really do enjoy most of his lyrics. I like the cryptic lyrics on Watershed, the concept driven lyrics on Still Life and Ghost Reveries, and certain songs with lyrics that are obviously deeply connected to the main himself (ie Burden, TNATSW, etc)

    Worst:
    James Hetfield (Metallica) - Later stuff of course. Pretty much goes without saying his lyrics are just dull and boring nowadays.

    Chris Barnes (Cannibal Corpse) - Refer to: "I Cum Blood" nuff said.

    Corey Taylor (Slipknot, Stone Sour) - Ugh.

    Rock:

    Maynard James Keenan (Tool, A Perfect Circle) - Always intelligible yet cryptic lyrics that always get me thinking. I love trying to pick apart what he is trying to say.

    Jesse Lacey (Brand New) - This dude sings from the soul. All of his lyrics are filled with emotion, and thats how it should be.

    Cedric Bixler-Zavala (The Mars Volta, At The Drive-In) - The craziest lyrics I have ever heard. I was playing "Vermicide" for one of my coworkers, when the lyric "We are sacrosanct" came up. He commented what a good word that was, and how its hard to use in normal conversation, and somehow he worked it into a song. His lyrics make no sense, but they are great somehow, at least to me.

    Marilyn Manson - His lyrics are always clever and witty. The way he works his lyrics in the trypich is incredible. Staying with an overarching concept across three separate albums, while still getting all of his thoughts out into the lyrics is unbelievable.

    Worst:
    Maynard James Keenan (Puscifer) - Cuntry Boner

    There are far too many bad lyricists in rock music to mention.
     
  8. Don Corleone

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    off the top of my head... the best:

    maynard james keenan
    mikael akerfeldt
    john lennon
    paul mccartney
    roger waters
    bruce dickinson
    jim morrison
    van morrison
    nick drake
    michael stipe
    lemmy kilmister
    dani filth

    worst:

    too many to mention.
     
  9. Koi

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    best=Mike Vennart or Thom Yorke (currently for me)
    worst=Alexi laiho
     
  10. Widows Sulk

    Widows Sulk New Metal Member

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    best: dylan, lennon, van morrison

    worst: all metal lyricists
     
  11. Wander

    Wander 10+2=6

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    Agreed, C.O.B lyrics are so bad, it's unbelievable.

    I mentioned this already on another thread, but when it comes to metal, I'm a fan of Devin Townsend's lyrics.
     
  12. Kushantaiidan

    Kushantaiidan SPASIBA AX.

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    +1 times infinity.
     
  13. To rid you disease

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    as nice as it can be to read the lyrics from the lyrics sheet, what really matters for me is what they sound like when sung in context in the song. if I want to read a good text ill just read a novel or, heck, even poetry.

    some favs:
    metallicas rtl - mop - ajfa
    opeths still life - deliverance - damnation - ghost reveries
    edge of sanitys crimson

    all i can think of atm in metal. when i think of rock i automatically think of prog rock and when i think of prog rock i automatically think of cool music + nonesense lyrics (though usually sung in a cool way that fits the psychedelic atmosphere)
     
  14. Nightmare_Heaven

    Nightmare_Heaven Death Disco

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    Andrew Eldritch
    Layne Staley
    Lord Worm
    Jaz Coleman
    Justin Broadrick

    All write great lyrics.
     
  15. opeth8

    opeth8 My Arms, Your Casket

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    Cantrell also wrote some of AIC's best lyrics...especially on Dirt !
     
  16. Kamel

    Kamel Trollhunter

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    well...I mentioned Dave Mustaine, in spites of being a metal lyricist, along with Bruce dickinson they can write very inspiring and "poetic" lyrics.

    Lemmy Kilmister sucks at writing lyrics, but he's funny as hell.
    Amorphis lyrics are somewhat incoherent, but I presume that's because of the translation
    In flames lyrics just sucks, but I love the way he structures the phrases
    Anneke's lyrics are sometimes lousy and some others are pretty much inspiring.
     
  17. metal_wrath

    metal_wrath I dip my forefinger...

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    Best lyricists:

    Dan Swano
    Mikael Akerfeldt
    Carl Mccoy - Fields of the Nephilim
    Robert Lowe - Solitude Aeturnus
    Byron - Bal Sagoth

    Worst:
    Alexi Laiho
    newer In Flames
     
  18. sotua

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    It's amazing how the guy who wrote the lyrics for AJFA and the Black Album (no matter what you think of the music, that one has amazing lyrics) has gone to "my lifestyle determines my deathstyle"-type drivel.

    Or should I say "deathstyle-CHA!" ;)
     
  19. Godhead59

    Godhead59 Dim Sam

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    ^ That lyric is actually Kirk Hammett's.
    James Hetfield has written some incredible lyrics throughout his career, and there are some great ones on Death Magnetic:

    Say is that rain or are they tears
    that stained your crying face for years
    Crying, weeping, shedding strife
    Year after year, life after life
    A narrow, freshly-broken ground
    the concrete angel laid right down
    Upon the grave which swallows fast
    It's peace at last, oh peace at last

    ^ I mean, that's not bad lyrics at all.
     
  20. Antyman

    Antyman En Ful Jävel

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    BEST:
    1. Micke "Ulke" Johansson - Dia Psalma (there's just no doubt about it, he's the fuckin best)
    2. Trent Reznor
    3. Jonas Renkse

    WORST:
    1. any self destuctive fantasy goth-crap
    2. Danko Jones
    3. Corey Taylor
     

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