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Discussion in 'Dark Tranquillity' started by Matse, Aug 9, 2009.

  1. Defiance

    Defiance I vårens ljusa kvällar

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  2. Defiance

    Defiance I vårens ljusa kvällar

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    Hopefully Siren is kicking some politician ass at the protests!
    Here's a great documentary about the current Greek crisis, you must watch it!

    www.debtocracy.gr
     
  3. stizzleomnibus

    stizzleomnibus Decisively Human

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    If you have 30 minutes, this video explains everything. And I mean everything.

    Recreational drugs would probably make a good accompaniment; you'll see what I mean when you watch it.

    History of America
     
  4. Defiance

    Defiance I vårens ljusa kvällar

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    Holy. Cthulhu. What. The. Heck. Was. That.?.
     
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    stizzleomnibus Decisively Human

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    That's totally how it happened.
     
  6. Defiance

    Defiance I vårens ljusa kvällar

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    I know that, but it's been some time since I've seen such a brilliant portrayal of the events.
     
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    NarkalepticNinja satirical member

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    Wow! Stizzle you are absolutely right, my eyes have truly been enlightened now to what i have just seen , I mean i knew all this stuff was spot on true but never in such a way displayed a brilliantly as this.
     
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    Thanks for that link, i will watch it asap.

    Unfortunatelly, i haven't been able to participate in the protests, but i think that most of our politicians should be punished severely. Especially for some people in the government, "treason" is the word that floods my mind.
     
  9. Villain

    Villain Doctor BenQuillity

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    I know there was a thread for religious crap, but as all religious issues (and this case in particular) are inevitably tied to political issues I chose to post this here:



    -Villain
     
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    The girl was beat to death because the parents were psychos and possibly racists, the case has nothing to do with religion.
     
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    Ok, prepare for a laugh :lol:

     
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  12. Villain

    Villain Doctor BenQuillity

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    Bullshit. Religion is at the very core of their psychotism, the root cause of why this tragedy happened.

    Moreover, now that you mentioned racism (which doesn't necessarily play a part in the above case), it needs to be said that religion is also one of the main causes of modern-day racism. The more religious a society is, the more racist it also tends to be. The exceptions are rare.

    -Villain
     
  13. Naglfar

    Naglfar As Naglfar devours us all

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    I'm an atheist and I don't like any religion (maybe unitarians and anabaptists? Some sufi sects?). But what you're stating there is a false correlation based on a kernel of truth. Religion, culture and politics are closely linked. The more secular a society, the less religion factors into politics. But how that affects culture and politics is much, much more complicated. Removing religion from the equation does not eliminate racism (re: China, the Soviet Union and the entire socialist revolutionary developing world in the last 60 years, which almost to the last country favored ethnic majorities by letting them monopolize power and wealth). Not that this is not standard in the West. I'm just saying, it's business as usual everywhere.

    To not digress into a long rant, it's the link between religion, culture and politics that produces xenophobia. Not religion arbitrarily on its own. Religion is so closely linked to culture, and always to some degree politics, that you can't look at doctrine on its own and say LOOK THERE'S VIOLENCE ADVOCATED SOMEWHERE IN THEIR DOCTRINE. All major religions of the world advocate violence somewhere in their religious text (Buddhism, which you think might be the exception, has produced monks that firebomb military convoys in some countries in Southeast Asia). So you'd learn more looking at how religion factors into cultural practices and politics. Religion can also serve a break on violence towards others, especially when people of different ethnic groups share the same religions (the examples of this kind of thing is too countless to number, but think Russians thinking themselves as big brothers of Serbians, even though this is selectively applied by both sides).
     
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    Villain Doctor BenQuillity

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    Naglfar: Sorry for not replying earlier. For what it's worth, I agree that the relationship between racism(/abuse/violence) and religion is complicated and I admit there's more to it than what I perhaps alluded above.

    Yet I stand by my claim that religion is a major cause of modern racism. Using communist states as a counter-example does not work, for communism was very much a religion in the Soviet Union and Mao-era China (albeit not quite so in modern China) - they had holy books, inerrant leaders to worship and teachings that had to be followed no matter how poorly they clashed with reality. Brainwashing, abuse and unquestionable authority - the three cornerstones of a succesful organized religion - were at the very heart of 20th Century communism.

    To further prove my point, there are still today people (I happen to know at least two personally) who honestly believe communism was the best political/social system ever and the Soviet Union was the most peace-loving state in the history of mankind. They used to make pilgrimages to Lenin's mausoleum. Seriously - the brainwashing these people have been through in their youth is no different from those who still believe Harold Camping is correct and the end of the world is coming any minute now.

    Anyways, back to the child-abuse topic, I just spotted this (hope the link works):

    http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/...ampaign=Feed:+rss/cnn_ac360blog+(Blog:+AC360)

    There's also this:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15288865

    In the latter there's a table that shows the huge difference in the amount of abuse deaths per 100 000 children in four states: New Hampshire (0.35), Oregon (1.49), New York (2.46) and Texas (4.05). Just out of curiosity, I googled a bit about how religious these states are in comparison to each other. I can't say I was surprised to find out that when listed by church-attendance, these same four states line-up in exactly the same order from lowest to highest. Moreover, New Hampshire is perhaps the least religious state in the US, while Texas is among the most religious.

    Thus, at least in the US it seems, the more religious the state, the more children are abused to death every year.

    -Villain
     
  15. Defiance

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    So Berlusconi left, for the entirely wrong reasons. I, in some ways, consider myself German, and it really pisses the hell out of me how things are being managed in the EU. Perrusconi didn't leave because of the sex scandals, but because of Merkel and friends. Really, really pissed off about this; especially because all the politicians are being replaced by bankers or economists (see Greece and now Italy). It's really convenient for Deutschland and France; now they just need to kick out Zapatero and Coelho and all will be fine with the Euro again. Jeez this is depressing.
     
  16. Maxim1110

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    Well I saw an interesting article in a newspaper today. Said some guy was "perfect to be the new EU president because he had been head advisor (or something) for Goldman Sachs." How the FUCK should someone like that ever become president of anything? Over my dead body.
     
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    I don't want you to die Maxim, there's a good chance this'll happen.
     
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    True, that's why Obama is powerless against greedy bankers. Most of the important people in his government are former bankers.
     
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    Just watch 'Inside Job', it explains everything hahaha.
     
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    Yes! I've recently seen that, very good!
     

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