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Religion Amongst Metalheads

Discussion in 'The Philosopher' started by HadesRagnazrath, Mar 2, 2017.

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What is your religion?

  1. Paganism (European religion)

    7 vote(s)
    25.9%
  2. Satanism (all LHP religions)

    4 vote(s)
    14.8%
  3. Abrahamism

    1 vote(s)
    3.7%
  4. Asian religion (including Hindu)

    1 vote(s)
    3.7%
  5. Atheism

    8 vote(s)
    29.6%
  6. Deism

    3 vote(s)
    11.1%
  7. Pantheism

    4 vote(s)
    14.8%
  8. Philosophy

    6 vote(s)
    22.2%
  9. Humanism/Autodeism

    1 vote(s)
    3.7%
  10. Other

    9 vote(s)
    33.3%
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  1. Storrsson

    Storrsson New Metal Member

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    It's equally plausible that 38 different boat stories could have been from the same flood, but indicate 38 different populations that survived it by floating.

    There have definitely been a lot of global floods in the past ~200,000 years - some of these have definitely affected modern humans dramatically, and would be remembered in a number of folk narratives for tens if not hundreds of thousands of years (like how Aboriginal Australian folklore accurately records geological events which occurred up to 40,000 years ago, if not more).

    Edit: as for the mtDNA thing, that makes a lot of sense - consider the number of "Israelic" groups there are in Eurasia (odd ties to the whole "lost tribes" thing) who have matrilineal aspects to their culture. Definitely something to it.
     
  2. Blurry_Dreams

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    like i said
    there's really just way too fucking much genetic variation in modern humans to say we all are descended from Noah's 3 sons, even if you are actually ignoring the fact that it appears that all 4 females on the boat had the exact same mitochondrial DNA
    the 38 boat stories were 38 different boats, just on the fucking DNA alone
    but also, these detailed, (sometimes lengthy and complicated) boat stories contradict each other, in ways that really preclude them from being just re-tellings of a single story of a single boat

    think about it like this
    you got 38 different witnesses all saying they say a car driving east down the same stretch of road with a single dog inside
    now imagine they all disagree with each other concerning the make/model/year/color of the car
    they all disagree about the race/age/gender/clothing-style of the driver
    they all disagree about how many humans are in the car
    and even though each person claims they saw only one dog, they all disagree about the size/gender/breed of said dog

    now imagine some dumb-ass trying to convince the world that the 38 people all saw the same car with the same dog in it

    wouldn't it make so much more sense to acknowledge that they saw 38 different cars driving 38 different dogs to some kind of dog-show??
    even if you can't prove the existence of the dog-show, you're still being stupid to say that everyone saw the same dog in the same car
     
  3. FEZZILLA

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    You are following mysticism from KKK members and nothing they say is remotely true. Cain died before the Flood, as the Flood happened roughly about 1600 after the creation of the earth. This post is a total scatterbrained reply which has no value in sensible discussion and I won't even entertain such mysticism.
    The Bible gives us the answer and Cain married his sister. All humans descended from their first parents which were Adam and Eve. Mankind in the Antediluvian period lived to be roughly a 1000 years old. This is what is recorded in Genesis What isn't recorded in Genesis is what they KKK mystics are teaching.
     
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    After the Flood and the calamity of Babel, people disperse all over the world in search of settlements. The Flood account went with them but in time embellishments distorted the accounts which is why God approved the Genesis account on Mt.Sinai. We still have the true account. But the others were the result of widespread migration all over the world. The actually account, however, goes back to eastern Turkey where the ark landed, and then in Shinar/Sumer where the first post-Flood civilization began.
     
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    Holy shit are you a young earth creationist?
     
  6. Blurry_Dreams

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    the phrase "KKK mystics" sounds like you stole it from a badly-written Hollywood-movie

    i vaguely remember someone claiming that the Sumer style of Cuneiform actually pre-dates Noah's flood

    yes
    Fezzilla is actually a Young-Earth Creationist
     
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    ...
     
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    Fezilla was referencing the totally ludicrous idea that the "mark of Cain" was that Cain was "7 times harder to kill" than a normal person and that Cain drowned in Noah's flood
     
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    More interested in the rest of the comment, which seems to imply that any person existed between year 1 and year 1600 of the earth.
     
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    according to most YEC people, the "earth" is only "5 days older than Adam"
    so yeah, people existed before 1600 years after Adam being created
    it was just the dumb-ass Creationist dude failing to articulate properly in a way that was actually kinda funny
     
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    also
    if dinosaurs were on Noah's Ark......
     
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    I never said that.
     
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    I never said that. I did say some dinosaurs were on the ark as mentioned in the Bible and verified in artifacts.
     
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    The reality of the Flood reduces the age of the earth drastically. Our earth only became billions of years old in the 20th century. The chronology of the world, according to Genesis, says much differently and geology strongly defends the Flood. This means evolutionists are wrong about everything.

    I've been a YEC for 15 years and have had no problems holding that view against the most educated atheists. The Flood ends evolutionary mysticism. Its the most well verified event in all history and confirmed to be true in geology.
     
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    the people who actually call themselves "geologists" would call you crazy
    if there were dinosaurs on Noah's Ark, then the event that killed the dinosaurs would have killed humans as well and we wouldn't be alive to have this argument

    dinosaurs might have drowned in the flood, as the mass extinction event, but then you wouldn't be able to prove your theory that behemoth and Leviathan were dinosaurs
     
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    Plenty of religions much older than Judaism believed that the Earth was far older. The Vedas get the age of earth around 4.4 billion years old. Other religions claim tens or hundreds of thousands or millions of years. I think the Abrahamic faiths have the youngest earth of all the religions, excluding some utterly ridiculous NRMs.

    You have no problems holding your views against anyone, because you refuse to accept any evidence that contradicts them.
     
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    I'd like to see how you got that from the Vedas since I don't even think that mentions the age of the earth. Anyone to believe the Vedas over the Bible has lost all credibility to criticize the Bible. Hinduism is extreme mysticism and completely unrealistic. The Biblical faith led to modern science. You can read the chronologies of Sumer and get ridiculous ages in there which are not credible. There is no way in hell mankind can exist that long on earth and not invent the first airplane by 50,000 B.C. Judging by Sumer and Egyptian chronologies, we should have been to the moon by 20,000 B.C. Humans are not stupid, contrary to what evolutionists teach about humanity. Humans constantly make strives forward as history demonstrates. The earth and humans have not been around no where near as long as evolutionists claim they have been. We don't even have enough fossils to account or millions of years of dead people.

    The compound interest of human population which included wars, famines and deaths etc., places the population of today in the time frame of the Biblical chronology. If mankind was on the earth as long as evolutionists claim then where are all those fossils of the dead? There should be human fossils piled up to the moon of humans have been on earth as long as evolutionists say! But today's population agrees with the compound interest of Biblical chronology.

    I know all about evolution theory. Its a total lie. Its a good theory if you want to put down other people and dehumanize them. But as a science its complete fantasy. But people will believe this nonsense out of their anger against God. Politics has a way of turning fiction into fact. That is part of the science of tyranny which evolution theory has fed from the beginning.
     
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    You're gonna have to attentively read the Bible before you debate the Bible. If you bothered reading the Flood account almost all of humanity died in the Flood. All except 8 people.

    There are many geologists who strongly disagree with evolution. For one, sedimentary rock is checkmate against evolution theory. We should not find a single fossil if the K-T event is true. Firestorms do not leave fossil records. But a global Flood leave a fossil record in sedimentary rock. That is real geology vs. the Marxist geology of far left politics. But so many people want to follow politics over science which is why they believe in evolution. The theory does nothing but feed hatred and is directly responsible for the mass murders of nearly 200-million people in a short time span of the 20th century. Had it not been for Karl Marx, the theory of evolution would have faded out after DR.Louis Pasteur proved it cannot happen and took credible for proving evolution was false. For in ancient times evolution theory was just called Spontaneous Generation by the pagans of Greece and Rome. Pasteur proved...in a lab...that such an occurrence from non-life to life cannot ever happen. Evolution theory is a political view only.
     
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    10 Great Cycles have already passed since the creation, each Great Cycle amounting to about 432 million years. We're in the eleventh, and quite a way through it.

    No, anyone to believe the Bible over the Vedas without understanding its historical context - like the fact that it was rewritten following the Roman conquest of Judea - has lost all credibility period.

    Hinduism and Vedism are two different things, the former arising out of the latter. The Vedas present a very different theological, cosmological, practical/ritual and philosophical outlook than Hinduism.

    No, Paganism led to modern science. Pagan authors of the Classical era were reintroduced to the West through the Arab world (the Arabs had recovered and translated all of the Greek and Roman texts they could find). All of modern science, including mathematics, astronomy, physics, chemistry, mechanics, and everything that derives therefrom, can be traced back to the Renaissance period - so called "rebirth", because of the rediscovery of the ancient Pagan knowledge.

    A testimony to all of this is that much of this mathematical, mechanical, physical and astronomic knowledge is encoded in the Vedas. Pagans have had it up on Abrahamists for thousands of years. But then, you seem not to believe that the earth existed at the time at which the Vedas were composed.

    Sure there is. It's called "not needing to". An airplane is a product of civilisation; civilisation is the desire of the few to control the many. I suppose you take your understanding of the development of agricultural and hierarchically structured society from the Bible, which rather omits most of the archaeological and sociological evidence we have - contrary to your rather bizarre opinion, society is a bad thing, based on the exploitation of some by others, without any essential movement towards positive moral/spiritual growth. However, there is a strong move towards material/economic growth, and that's the growth which has been elapsing for some 12,000 year now - leading to planes as soon as people could get it together enough to stop killing each other for more land to despoil in the name of agriculture.

    Well, for one, the Vedas maintain that people have already been to the Moon. Lots of odd things in the Vedas, suggesting previous civilisational epochs far back in the past.

    History actually demonstrates that humans are, by and large, stupid, and that it is individuals that can be incredibly intelligent. Individuals in the right positions make the right moves, and usher in grand changes to the overarching scheme of things when working in concert (knowingly or not). Humans in general piss about and kick dirt at one another. If you look at history with a realistic view, we go through cycles of development and destruction, like any organism would. Civilisations rise and fall, advancements are made and then forgotten. I can definitely see it taking the full span of time since the end of the last ice age to get back to a situation we might have been in before.

    The earth I don't know about; humans are actually much older than most scientists are claiming. We have lots of fossils - many of them from times when e.g. half the world wasn't covered in ice. You do realise what a mile high sheet of glacial ice will do to the land beneath, and any fossils contained therein? Everything gets crushed. The northern hemisphere spends most of its time under the ice - we have gaps in the fossil record precisely because things get erased periodically by natural forces. In fact, the gaps work rather well with what the geologists say about the history of earth's development.

    Don't get me wrong, unlike you, I don't believe in modern science - because I understand that its philosophical underpinning is utterly absurd and intellectually bankrupt - I'm simply filling you in on information you might not know about, since you seem to think that modern science is in itself a good thing, despite the degree to which it diverges from your belief system.

    Really? Really? You realise that fossilisation is a relatively rare process? Most of the dead people are decomposed - they have left no remains. Bones rot, especially when left exposed to the elements (which was the funerary practice throughout much of the world until more recently - excarnation). Fossilisation requires quite specific circumstances to arise before it can occur - humans and human-like things might well avoid those circumstances when it comes to the deposition of their dead.

    Seriously, for someone who claims a lot about liking science, you're not very intelligent.

    Personally, I'm on the fence about evolution. We have no direct evidence for it - until we do, it remains "a theory", as nebulous as that sounds. But I'm also wary of jumping the gun and adopting creationism of any kind as a model, because it has as many flaws, if not more, than evolutionary theory. Principally being that, theologically speaking, it is very difficult to get God to act in this world in the manner described in e.g. Genesis unless we understand Genesis in the vein of metaphor - like all scriptures ought to be read.

    If you read Genesis aright, evolutionary theory doesn't contradict it in the slightest. For example, the Hebrew word for "days" (as in the "seven days") can apparently be read to mean "epoch", which would mean that seven "epochs" passed in the creation of all things, Mankind arising in the sixth "epoch", which is actually later than suggested by the Vedas if I remember rightly (I think Man is a principle part of creation in the Vedas, having devolved, rather than evolved, into manifestation from the forms/archetypes [the "plans" in the mind of God-the-Absolute, called Brahman {"that which expands as the Universe"}]). If we take each day as an extended period of time, then the Genesis account matches rather well with what geologists and evolutionists say about the development of life on earth - first rocks, then waters, then green things, then fish, birds, beasts, finally Man.
     

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