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Discussion in 'Amon Amarth' started by SwedishNorse, May 6, 2008.
"Treacherous neighbors" wouldn't be the right term for this.. "treacherous" is rightfully applied, for example, when a country invades another by passing by a neutral country like Belgium. That is in total disrespect of the treaties of warfare they signed, hence treacherous..
But all in all you do point out pertinent remarks.. Germany has had top scientists and other educated people for a while, which is surely one of the most important reason why they survived economical crisis like that of the 1920s.
@Beave : no problem man
I think you should have thought carefully before saying the first three words of your post. If you read her posts, you will find that she has knowledge enough to be able to talk about Marshall plan or about any other hystorical fact and that she's not exactly a silly person, you can learn lots of things reading her comments. Believe me.
And about your comment about Hitler and the Nazi party, and the fact that they made Germany to become one of the richest nations in the world and so on... well, I'm nearly sure that the most of German citizens don't feel exactly proud of that period of their history I don't know if you've heard anytime about the holocaust... maybe you've never heard anything about it...
At least one who understands what I wanted to say.
Besides Beave, Tyra and Celtik, of course
Well, that last bit would be an entirely different thing if the germans had won the war, wouldn't it? It's the victor's prerogative to write the books of history. And just like 'terrorist' can be turned into 'freedom fighter' and vice versa so can 'holocaust' be turned into 'the purifying cleanse that pruned the german nation of it's weaknesses to make it evolve to the superior power on earth.'
I'm just saying, potayto, potahto.
Good point. The victors have plenty of blood on their hands too, but they rarely acknowledge it. Chomsky might be an anarchist wacko, but it's like he said, "If the Nuremberg Laws were applied today, then every Post-War American president would have to be hanged."
Most of my family who lived in Germany during those times say different, and it's their word I tend to take.
I dont think she is stupid, on the contrary, I think she is smart and I hope she avoids being sucked in by popular culture and popular history. I believe she thinks independently, I only said she was silly to make her think harder and do as much research, so she doesnt follow consensus world war II history. Yes Ive heard of the Holocaust, weve all heard about the Nazi atrocities, but weve completely ignored what America and Great Britain have done to innocent women and children, such as burning them alive. That was one of they key military strategies of the United States federal government and the generals, bomb the civilians to break German resistance. They were to cowardly to attack the small Nazi army, so instead they murdered the civilian population of Germany. The same is true with Japanese women and children.
All of this, while the West allowed the Soviet Union to become so powerful and massive, to the point where that nation became a beast that threatened the entire world. The Marxist philosophy continued to spread across the globe, killing millions of people in the process, from China, Cambodia, all the way to Latin America. This is almost completely ignored in the Western world, and Im afraid to say, the true nature of the horrors of world war II and the horrors that continued since that time has hardly been addressed in full detail. The worst part of all is that same government who were victories after the second world war (America and Great Britain) are still waging aggressive war against defenseless Middle Easterners. It is time the Western governments develop and embrace a novel philosophy that doesnt use their greatness of the second world war as an excuse to invade other countries or down play their own crimes.
Wow, easily the most bullshit thing I've read all week.
Because you're biased, as is evidenced by you're scholarly reply.
Exactly my point, the disarmed enemy (Germany) was very vulnerable to their revengeful neighbors such as the people who forced Germany to accept the massive war reparations, as detailed in the Treaty of Versailles. I'm not saying the German Empire was completely innocent, nor am I saying that they were responsible for world war I, as their were other political agendas at work. Not all neighboring European peoples hated Germans, it is was mainly people who were politically motivated. Indeed, many French people were opposed to the carnage and mass rape of German women and children after world war II by American and Soviet "soldiers". As far as "breaking treaties" is concerned, I think we should take a look at our own governments before pointing our fingers at other nations. That is one of the great lessons of history, governments have a tendency to brain wash their civilians to believe they are the good guys whereas the enemy is the bad guy.
Who isn't biased?
Very good question.
SO... because I feel a bit uncomfortable with my country in the middle of a discussion like this, plus I don't have any idea about history: Can we go back on topic?
I would like to visit Sweden tho. My boyfriends uncle is living there in a house and stuff. And we will go there and do everything that tourists do and stuff and so on. You know?
Germany's history is massive and rich. Many Westerners, including those who live in the Federal Republic of Germany are unaware of what a "German" is, so therefore understanding the history of Germany becomes increasingly difficult. The Germans are a linguistic and cultural group, throughout history the Germans have lived under various states that were independent from one another. Two notable examples include Austria and Prussia, it was only until January 18 1871 that these various German states were unified under Prussian leadership. Don't feel guilty,the Western allies were just as bad as the Nazis...the same Western allies that turned Dresden into a fire place at the end of world war II despite the fact the these civilians that died were no threat to America and Great Britain.
As much as I hate America, you have to admit that the US did not systematically kill 11 million innocent people in World War 2.
I don't hate America, I hate the actions of our government, like I said, it is time they create a novel philosophy that doesn't claim that we are the "good guys" who are morally superior to everyone else. We also need a government that doesn't wage war against defenseless nations. America and Great Britain may not have murdered "11 million" but they killed a millions of innocent German civilians directly, and indirectly killed millions because they assisted the Soviet Union, a nation that eventually murdered and raped their way across Europe and killed ethnic Russians who didn't embrace Bolshevism.