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Discussion in 'F.O.H.' started by decadawn, Jul 16, 2009.
am i missing something here?
Hey guys, thanks to everyone who posted a version. The mix we have here is a result of some accommodations I had to make and I need to go back in time a bit to an older version and take things in a slightly different direction.
THE MASTER: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1043680/metalfactorymaster.mp3
Tell me about your impressions!!!
Here you go mate this is my take on the mastering... Hope you like it... i certainly do
Here is my attempt:
Tried to clear up the mix, taming the lows, getting more aggressive mids and adding some brightness.
I don't think I've smashed the dynamics too much, although it sounds decently loud (I hope ahah)
EDIT: I've used the version on the first link, without post-eq
http://files.getdropbox.com/u/333261/paladin shredder - decadawn mastering.mp3
edit: man, i really wish i could get the vocals in a separate track so i can treat them separately, seems like they get lost in the mix sometimes.
When is the deadline?
Well... after hours of coffee and EQ balancing as well as compression and so on i finally finished. Here is my final take on this and i think it is as good as i can get it so if you dont like it... F*** O** haha
But seriously was a pleasure mastering this song which also happens to be Rockin'
Man, what a catchy chorus! Loved mastering this one.
Here's my version: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/933491/Decadawn Plankis Master.wav
I don't really understand the point of this. Is it to see who does a better job at making your song sound different?
Pre-mastering (what you refer to as mastering in this thread) isn't about making audio sound different or "better" (although it could be a side effect). IMO, it's about compiling a playlist to an error free medium, making sure that the project as a whole sounds cohesive, and that the songs translate well to other playback systems. Corrective changes in EQ and adding compression may or may not be used to individual songs in a playlist. It's almost a guarantee that with modern productions a brick wall limiter and/or clipping AD converters on the way back ITB will be used to obtain loudness.
Nothing will replace a qualified ME, but I think too much stock is put into how much better the mastering process will make a song sound. If the difference is significant (other than volume) either there was something seriously wrong with the mix or the ME is overstepping his bounds. If I'm mixing an album I'm mixing it so the songs sound like they should sound. The songs are sent to the ME to compile the album and make sure it is "right."
The reason I don't get this is because asking someone to pre-master one song is asking them to either make it sound different or louder. I've worked on albums where only one song had any EQ changes, and the only thing I had to do was bring up the volume and compile the playlist. I'd personally find it hard to judge a persons ME skills and listening ability based off of what they do to one song.
Sorry for the rant.
Hey Tra, although what you say isn't wrong by any means, you still have to leave room for the entire mastering equation, as you even said. If we do want to be technical about it, sonic adjustments can be "pre-mastering" and creating a pro compliation in a red-book standard can be "mastering". But, it happened to be, in this case, sonic adjustments were needed to make the track shine. Now what doesn't make sense to me is that the OP did not really give any detailed feedback on these versions. So in that sense, I'm not sure what the point was of this post.
Either way this is all good practice for everyone who takes part... and yer the main reason for this thread WAS to obtain the best mastered version of the song but everyone SHOULD see it as a point of reference to reflect on everyones work to help each other.
Dont see audio as a contest... See it as an experience.
My point is that you don't have any other tracks to compare this to in order to make any adjustments. Why would I blindly start making adjustments to this song with out hearing any of the other songs in the playlist?
Like I said, I mix a song to sound like I want it to sound. If track 2 needs some corrective EQ because it sounds too dark between tracks 1 and 3 then you make that step. Making adjustments to a single song is like going to an art gallery and adding/erasing things from a picture because you don't think it looks right.
Trust me, I agree. I do like to make the most sonic adjustments while mixing, aside from the best place: the tracking stage. But, sometimes re-mixes are not possible. As far as making adjustments such as in this situation:
In and of itself, a track can have faults like perhaps to muddy, too boomy, etc etc. If these technical errors can be corrected, in my experience, it also can pave the way for the track to start taking form. And the markers of that form, and this is general, are punchiness, clarity, balance, fullness. For an album, this makes much more sense because there's context but this means that on a single song basis, there is something to shoot for; it is not entirely, blind.
Here's my try:
I'll do another one with completely different settings later on
Second version, more scooped and wider, less dense but more air:
So whats the result on this? any update on when you are deciding
i'm with him on that whats the results ha
Hey guys.. don't worry there will be a winner..
QV (studio tech) is almost done with a new mix of the song and i'll post the new file in here.. he wasn't satisfied with the previous one.. so stay tuned
excellent i'm pumped and ready