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so i fucking suck at snare micing help me out, clips

Discussion in 'F.O.H.' started by CatharsisStudios, Jul 10, 2009.

  1. darthjujuu

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    you can usually gate everything out of a snare track pretty well (without having to sample) if you get technical enough with it, just duplicate the snare track and edit them so that one is only hard hits and the other is only softer hits, and put two different gate settings on each accordingly. frequency response is key to the gate, obviously, make it open for nothing but the fundamental snare range (or lower, if hihats are still bleeding). i find a little kick bleed is generally harmless. ditto for toms, as long as it's just a teency bit. reagate or cubase's dynamics built-in plug are usually more than adequate for this, in my experience. i've never tried it but if you wanna get really technical and you just CANNOT defeat hat bleed in the gate, you could probably (correct me if i'm wrong) sidechain the top mic gate and have it open whenever the bottom mic gets hit, since the bottom mic is much more isolated from everything other than kick.

    edit: sorry, just realized how off topic that was. haha.
     
  2. Erkan

    Erkan mr-walker.bandcamp

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    That's wrong, it does affect it even more. It's absorbing energy off of the head, just like the heatsink on your CPU. A flat piece of tape on the head will just vibrate with the head, while a "tabbed" piece will vibrate more "against" the head and absorb more energy in the process.
     
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    Dude before looking at things like the room being to dry, or resonance from the floor, think about what is sat in front of you... the kit needs some serious nursing first. new skins, retuning and place the mic about an inch above the rim a bit flatter than 45 degress and you will notice a large difference i can bet. Also remember that EQ was once named, correction processing.
     
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    GarethSE New Metal Member

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    i think you guys worry about bleed to much.
     
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    Says the guy who programs all of is drums in AD :lol: Yeah, if I didn't have to mic a drumkit I wouldn't be worried about bleed either!
     
  7. GarethSE

    GarethSE New Metal Member

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    id love if AD had bleed :(
    but seriously
    you guys post snare clips up like THE FUCKING BLEED OH MY GOD MY EAAAAARS!!!
    and im just like
    the fuck? that shit sounds good as hell.
     
  8. MetalJonesy

    MetalJonesy more metal, more booze!!!

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    that snare mic is farr to close in!! id go for something more like this and try tuning ur snare from that:

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    hey dude, I've got a pretty cool tip if you're not getting that 'snap' you're after... I place an SM81 looking directly down to the middle of the snare, at around the height of the drummer's head (usually just above so its not distracting). I got that from a friend of mine who's a great producer and its really helped me out!
     
  10. deanbailey

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    If you have the option, I find recording the snare trigger (direct) adds a nice crack to it. You could even EQ it a tad around 8k and compress it to sneak in a little snap.

    I never knew about the tape flap idea, Thanks!
     
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    Ryan, I know you're sick of us all saying it - but the problem here is deffo the drums. It's well and good for everyone to say "skin it & tune it" but not many people even know how to tune a kit. Obviously it's a bit late now, but I highly recommend you buy the DrumDial and learn how to tune drums using that (it's the best tool out there to help you IMO). I have absolutely no dampening on my kit and it just sings beautifully. I've even gotten shit kits to sound great by tuning them well (with new skins). There should be no reason why you can't get a DW kit to sound great.
    Ultimately what this means is that you need to learn A LOT about drums, because at the moment it seems like you are trusting the drummers that come to you - don't - if a drummer tapes up his kit like a fuckin' retard in a straight-jacket, he probably deserves a shit recording, but this wouldn't reflect well on you.
     
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    Yeah, a close mic'd snare that sounds awful isn't going to sound amazing in a great room... Close micing nearly completely avoids the whole room sound problem to begin with. I haven't noticed a lick of difference in my close mic'd drum tracks since treating my room. Get the snare sounding good on it's own and it will pretty much mic itself.
     
  13. CatharsisStudios

    CatharsisStudios trcksngsrpbngs

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    so i fixed it, clips comming soon
     
  14. 462studio

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    Like a retard in a straight jacket, or like a retard; covers his drum heads in tape? :lol:
     
  15. CatharsisStudios

    CatharsisStudios trcksngsrpbngs

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    i fxed em, everyone go loook :D
     
  16. Morgan C

    Morgan C MAX LOUD PRESETS¯\(°_o)/¯

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    Man fuck you..

    You've just gone from awful to insanely good in like a week. What did you do? Please tell me you this is all sample replaced or something. Fuck. This is so much better than any of my recordings. I need real OH's.. lol


    PS: You're a terrible drummer! ;p
     
  17. Erik Monsonis

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    Fuck you Ryan, seriously :)

    j/k of course, but... Fuck you anyways :lol:
     
  18. CatharsisStudios

    CatharsisStudios trcksngsrpbngs

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    hahah nope its all real man, here is the pics



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    [​IMG](thats real ghetto i don't have another stand so i flipped the clip around, and turns out it works great)
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  19. Erik Monsonis

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    Damn you Ryan, DAMN YOU :lol:

    I wish I had a decent kit to record at home! :cry:
     
  20. CatharsisStudios

    CatharsisStudios trcksngsrpbngs

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    hahaha man hey get on msn! oh i am about to post of a mix of those things
     

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