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So you want a tight mix?

Discussion in 'F.O.H.' started by jval, Dec 10, 2009.

  1. ahjteam

    ahjteam Anssi Tenhunen

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    Most of Led Zeppelin and Beatles stuff wouldn't be acceptable tightness- or pitch-wise on todays pop standards. But both of them still made better music than 99% of the todays artists could ever make.

     
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    Now that's turd polishing to the max!
     
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    GarethSE New Metal Member

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    just sounds like a few really really talented musicians playing some fucking music
    not computers doing all the fucking work for them.
     
  4. cloy26

    cloy26 d00d

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    for real. how boring is that shit? :p
     
  5. arv_foh

    arv_foh Brian K

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    I've seen several national bands using live auto tune processors in their racks... it sounds really weird to me
     
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    Spencer159 New Metal Member

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    To someone Like myself, who is just stepping foot into the vast abyss of music production; This post is very informative in the sense that it really does explain what is required to have that tremendous mix, And it does not involve the newest plugin that is a MUST HAVE and will make you sound exactly like Joey Sturgis in an instant.
    Appreciated! :)
     
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    Full_Tilt Member

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    I think this particular thread is valid in terms of achieving higher levels of production from sloppy musicians if sloppy playing isn't part of the identity of the music , IMHO Metal is losing most of its anarchy and old school attitude when it comes to production but then I also suppose metal musicians aspire to be better at playing their instruments without actually concentrating on doing just that .
    I also believe that production is most heavily dependant on the performance and that production techniques should reflect the vibe of the music .
     
  8. AllanD

    AllanD boom tap boom-boom tap

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    How are the drums done in this process. Same way with every 4 bars? Or all the way through with extreme editing?
     
  9. P-E

    P-E Munchkin

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    Now we're talkin. :Smokedev:
     
  10. Everybody

    Everybody Hail Santa

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    I am REALLY looking forward to using this the next time I record a new band Im soooooo glad you showed us this jval...fucking awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Ive already used this for stuff I wrote on tabit but I could never play (drummer here) but now im able to record it note by note and it sounds just like I heard it in my head, and not MIDI haha

    thank you so much!
     
  11. Full_Tilt

    Full_Tilt Member

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    To the O.P
    try to work on making great musicians sound better dont try to give crap musicians what they dont deserve .
    The metal scene doesnt need it.
    If that's the amount of work required to get them to sound good then your just flooding the market with people who will disappoint the wider audience .
    You may gain some producer kudos in the process though...................................
     
  12. 006

    006 Member

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    :rolleyes:

    You completely missed his point and obviously aren't doing work with labels that demand this kind of product.
     
  13. Full_Tilt

    Full_Tilt Member

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    Just so we get off on the right foot I agree with everything your saying but like I also said (in not so many words) this kind of editing is good for newer producers to prove them selves as people who can deliver the goods no matter how incapable the musicians but bad for this kind of music scene as a whole .
    I understand this is a forum for up and coming fresh producers to share their experiences and help each other to break into the recording industry and that in the beginning its going to be tough going to hook up with talented musicians so yeah I missed that point .
    Sorry
    There's no accounting for labels choice in artist. As long as they pay good rates in ratio to the producers work load then I'm prepared to shut up.
     
  14. Fox Mulder

    Fox Mulder The Truth Is Out There

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    FIXED :cool:
     
  15. joeymusicguy

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    you made no point

    all you did was try to convert your opinion to fact
     
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    GarethSE New Metal Member

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    It is a fact.
     
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    joeymusicguy Member

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    Believe what you want, but here's how the rest of the world separates fact from opinion.

    o⋅pin⋅ion  [uh-pin-yuhn] Show IPA
    –noun
    1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
    2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
    3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.
    4. Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
    5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion.
    6. a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven't much of an opinion of him.

    fact  [fakt] Show IPA
    –noun
    1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
    2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
    3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
    4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.
    5. Law. Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence. Compare question of fact, question of law.
     
  18. joeymusicguy

    joeymusicguy Member

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    To further demonstrate my point;

    If it is fact that unedited music is better than edited music
    then why does edited music exist?

    ...and from this post, do not assume that I am on either side of that fence...

    The only point I am making is, you cannot factually claim that one type of music is better than any other because as an artform, it is respected and appreciated from different perspectives and personal opinion.

    It IS a fact that neither is better. That is... until you define the terms and limits in context of what better actually means... ie: album sales, popularity, shows played, number of blow jobs in career, etc. etc.
     
  19. GarethSE

    GarethSE New Metal Member

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    Jesus Christ you actually made a post that wasn't "i r00lz at mast3ring hurrrrr" or "ENERGY DRINKS AND CIGARETTES I AM THE P0D KING" for once.

    hats off, genuinely.
     
  20. Jind

    Jind Grrrr!!! (I'm a bear)

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    Better is a matter of opinion, and taste is very subjective - but, somethings simply do taste better than others - as a matter of opinion of course. There is an age old saying that you simply can't polish a turd - regardless what you do, it's innate turdness will shine through. Call it what you want - editing, correcting, adjusting, perfecting (but then again, one man's trash is another man's treasure), but in the end, good song writing will always remain; it is everlasting.

    Time tends to be the judge of what constitutes well made, well written music. What may taste good immediately and may sound good for a little while really amounts to nothing if years down the road nary a soul remembers it was made. Even in this genre we call metal (including the ridiculous sub-genre nomenclature we have) there will always be the cream that rose to the top and stood the test of time. It will be interesting to see years from now if we look fondly upon some of the music produced today. Only time will tell, but I have a feeling that if it is a good, and I mean good, song - it very may well - but they truly are a rarity (and I don't just mean today as there has been lots of music from the past that is long forgotten and did not stand the test of time.)
     

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