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Some tips from Chris Lord-Alge...

Discussion in 'F.O.H.' started by lolzgreg, Jul 17, 2010.

  1. lolzgreg

    lolzgreg Cereal Shipping Sneapster

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    After attending the Chris Lord-Alge Waves seminar, I got to ask Chris a few questions that I thought were pretty important. I didn't video tape the seminar, as it wasn't allowed, so I figured I'd do my best to let you guys know what I learned about him. Some of this may not be 100% accurate, but it's as close as I can get:

    -Bought a pair of Barefoots, but thinks that "they make things sound too good." Had a hard time trusting them compared to his Yamaha NS-10's, so he says he's sticking with the Yammys.

    -Always mixes into the same master bus chain with nearly the same settings, all of which is hardware. The chain is SSL Compressor->Limiter(unnamed)->Pultec EQ. Note that he puts EQ on the master bus and finds it quite important. His settings are a threshold of around -1.5 to -3dB, with a ratio of 2:1. If he hears the compressor start to work/pump before he "finishes the mix," he will back off on the individual faders and continue mixing.

    -Will use hardware BEFORE reaching for his software.

    -Thinks the biggest mistake engineers make is compression while tracking. He often gets pissed off at other engineers and wished someone would make an "uncompressor":lol: Light compression on bass and vocals on the way in is okay.

    -Prefers using one style of EQ per track.

    -Separates bass tracks into high end for distortion.

    -Sends a bass DI out into a sub woofer and mic's it up for "super low end." Prefers this to just processing a DI track.

    -Uses delay and reverb at the same time on both drums and vocals.

    -Often uses light chorus and light delay on distorted guitars.

    -Want(ed)(s) to mix AC/DC, Pink Floyd, and some other classic groups.

    -Uses Aurora converters.

    -Prefers real drums to samples. When he samples, he often takes drums from the project in question to make the samples from.

    -Uses parallel compression on drums.

    -As far as I know, he does NOT used staged compression on individual tracks.

    My impressions are that Chris is a very nice guy with a good sense of humor. He didn't have a big head at all, and really loves his work.

    His closing message to all the people of the world, especially us engineers, is to BUY MUSIC and BUY RECORDING SOFTWARE. He says if people continue to steal what others worked so hard for, no audio engineer in our day and age will ever make a living. If you have any questions about how pirating music affects the economy of the United States AND the music industry, I would talk to James Murphy. He's got the best explanation possible.

    If any of this is blatantly wrong, correct me, please.

    Also, for people who wonder why Waves TDM plugins are almost twice as expensive as Native, is because an entirely new algorithm has to be written for TDM plugins. If the coding for a Native plugin is 100 pages of code, you can expect the TDM plugin to be anywhere from 600-1200 pages just to perform the same task. TDM's biggest implication was to track into plugins with little to no latency back in the 90's when computers couldn't keep up. Now it is obsolete, and according to Waves, they will continue supporting TDM until Avid gives up on it since "they want to play ball with everyone."
     
  2. Morgan C

    Morgan C MAX LOUD PRESETS¯\(°_o)/¯

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    This is interesting, have to try it out (especially delay on drums?!)

    Except he's used the exact same snare sample on the last 3 of his albums I've heard (Shinedown, Greenday, Paramore).
     
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    lolzgreg Cereal Shipping Sneapster

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    Gotta give back, you know?
     
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    pipaguapique Remember Me

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    dude!!! thank you sooooo much for this info...i totally love you right now...hahaha:lol:

    no, but really this is great info.
     
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    I tries the delay preset in battery once and it was kinda cool. Thanks for sharing dude.
     
  7. Zack Uidl

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    thanks dude!
     
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    Good stuff
     
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    26 Muzak by request

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    interesting. thanks for sharing.
     
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    thanks!

    i really want to experiment with delay on drums, especially snare, but i have a feeling that it only works in lower paced styles like cla is mixing....not much room for subtle delays to breathe if the drummer is blasting all the time ^^

    btw, the tour foh sound engineer on the latest wolves in the throne room (ambient black metal, kinda) tour always used a combination of delay and reverb for the snare....in a live setting mind you. the whole mix was pretty wet anyways, but then again it's ambient black metal. those guys had one of the weirdest amp setups i've ever seen though.
     
  11. AllanD

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    Can you further explain this one?
     
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    Thanks for this Greg!
    And +! to elaborating on what he meant by "Prefers using one style of EQ per track".
     
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    Thanks for infos! Seems it adds up with the old interviews etc..

    About this:

    I think he's said he uses SSL, Focusrite red3 (old transformer one) and shadow hills mastering compressor on the 2bus. Usually only red3 or shadow hills but sometimes SSL+other one of those.. Pultecs are there to give some bottom end and to drive the mix again thru another set of transformers..

    And I think he's always emphasised that he never uses limiter on any of those.. only the compressions.. Ratio wise I've always heard 4:1 but who knows.. after studying some of the basics of these top guys I've found its better to use time to try to find own unique sound and stop always trying to recreate what others are doing.. :loco:

    Nevertheless this guy is a genius! :worship:
     
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    Thanks for the info, Greg.
     
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    Excellent! Really informative, thanks a lot Greg.

    This + Ermz' thread is making me enjoy this forum like I used to
     
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    as far as I know CLA uses a focusrite compressor on the master bus with a pair of pultecs.
     
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    kev Im guybrush threepwood

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    Thanks, your royal gregness!
     
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    I dn't this often, but to me delay + verb on drums is no big deal. It is much like applying pre-delay to the drum reverbs. It sounds cool and adds to the overall 3d-ness

    Gotta try this light chorus thing on distorted guitars, tho'.

    Cool tips man, thanks!
     
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    ahjteam Anssi Tenhunen

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    how did you like the event overall?
     
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    Thanks for sharing the info! Anyone else here usually use chorus and delay on distorteded guitars? I only do it on leads, but interesting to hear he does it on most guitars
     

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