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Discussion in 'F.O.H.' started by Line Level Recordings, Oct 21, 2009.
This will make your searches a little easier on the forum
yeah it it do but main reason that my idea was to keep unnecessary threads of but lets just bury this idea now
and im processing bass with an Amplitube Ampeg sim cause its Directed.
and i didnt do EVERYTHING you said just yet cause im on my way to band practice so im in a hurry, but i made some changes!
so, hopefully you will approve of them.
thanks alot for the help dude
p.s. theres still a bit of grit cause that was the guys desired guitar tone.:Smokin:
sounds much better man. keep playing with it though. the most important part to getting a good tone is getting it so sound as close to a "album worthy" tone without any processing, filtering, compression, or anything like that at all. then all you have to do is dial in a few minor tweaks.... and I say this knowing that this is a major issue for my recordings as well. I'm also a noob to this!
if I also have a few words of advice, I'd say this. be humble. be kind. be respectful. be open minded. and do not lash out at members on here. respect and appreciation will go a long way. if you lash out, the people on here that really know what they're doing will no longer want to contribute and help you in any way. if you have any "noob questions" try googleing it first it can save you a lot of embarrassment and ridicule. there's also a TON of information to be learned on youtube.
there's a hundred other recording forums that do this. Want to learn how to use eq in your DAW? try the EQ section of your DAW manual or help files.
If you want help, help yourself to the billions of books, magazines and blogs on recording topics. Try podcasts too.
Take what you've read and heard and put it into practice.
I like that on this forum you dont always have to dumb down everything you say and we can have intelligent conversations about recording and production techniques with our peers.
http://forum.recordingreview.com/ is a noob friendly forum.
I read a really good article on compression from "Sound on Sound" magazine. They really do describe the very basics, but what I enjoy about magazines is that there is usually an image to illustrate the point they make. So I would highly recommend some recording mags.
Also, I like the way your track is sounding linelevel. Its a nice guitar sound and you have nice fade ins, transition etc in the mix. Chorus has nice levels to it also. Nice job
thanx,have to check that site. like i said before that how to use eq was example. my will is only good,i just got that idea if someone cant find what looking for then just ask in that thread without making new thread
cos i read here a lot try to get better and better but i dont wanna make always new thread for my questions and i think it realy keeps things more in order but thats just my opinion.
huge improvement, but fucking ignore him and go for the guitar tone YOU think is best for the mix.
musicians are fucking idiots that have no diea what they're talking about when it comes to the sonic aspects of things, so do it without hesitation.
A huge +1.
Don't give the musicians too much input in the mix and don't let them have to much leeway for changes after the mix is done. Simply do two different sounding mixes and give them a choice of which one is their favourite, it works because they have the illusion of input, but ultimately you have control over the way the sound goes.
I see (or hear) exactly what you are talking about, its not a low pass issue TBH, rather the top end distortion is the result of recording too hot and as a result you are saturating something in the recording portion of the gear, either you are clipping the mic (turn down the mic gain on your mic pre) clipping your mic pre, (turn down the output volume on your mic pre) or you are clipping your converters (either the mic pre output is too hot and you are clipping the converters or you don't have your converters calibrated correctly and normal line levels are coming in too hot)
that sound is fine if that's what the client wants, because it very slipknot in nature, but you are better off getting real tube or tape saturation to achieve that, and don't use it so much. The best cheep alternative is to use plugins in your DAW to simulate tape or tube saturation. I did a HUGE tutorial on the topic, just google "How to make your tracks larger" and you will find it.
Yeah, because ultimately a beginner Audio Engineer will record a far better tone than a musician with zero ability to engineer.
The musician may not be able to dial in a tone as good as yours, but they'll know it's better when they hear it.
Don't be afraid to flaunt your superiority. This is supposed to be your area of expertise, they're paying for your services as someone who knows his shit and has a good ear, so fucking flaunt it.
Yup, they expect you to know your shit anyway, so if you're asking them for input all the time then it undermines your superiority and makes them ask questions about if you really know what you are doing.
The studio is supposed to be your domain, so you take control and lead them as opposed to the other way around which will only create hassle for you.
Thats what i said ( well, something along the lines of that ) but he thinks his tone is the shit.
His line6 spider solid state amp has "the tone" according to him lol.
i heard better sounds comin from someones ass.
So i should just do whats best for the mix?
What if he starts bitching?
I'm not too chill on murder
I saw that tutorial.
Very good job!
And yea, your theory could be correct cause thats what it most sounds like to me.
I should mess with a fresh guitar recording session tonight and see if i can get a good tone without any sizzle.
Maybe by lowering the mic or pre amp gain.
thanks guys for showing me right way
it means alot!
If shitty is what the client wants, you'll just have to go with it, if you can't convince him to change the tone in any way. The client's will is what killed the dynamics in today's music.
If he's a beginner, I'd make him question his sound, is it really as good as he thinks? From what I've gathered, in this business you'll often have to think about what you say and how you say it, to make the artists understand your position is correct. After all, you can't just say "get away from the amp you fucking moron, that sounds horrible". On the other hand, I'm not sure if you can actually get a good sound from such a shitty amp as a Line 6 Spider...
I'm not in the business myself, but at any rate. Just something I thought of.
Do what Lasse does and do a blind A/B test with one tone as his spider the other tone as the tone of your choice. In theory he'll pick the better tone (your one) and then he'll have no choice but to agree with you.
The problem here is you left it a bit late for a preemptive strike, he's started to ask questions and be nitpicky, which will make your job more difficult, whatever you do don't call him out on his bad tone, he doesn't need to feel like the guilty party here - it'll make him defensive, just explain calmly to the band as a whole that you feel X tone would be better suited for the mix and thats the reason you feel you should go with it, if you do this well enough the band will make a collective decision that your logic is more sound than his - because after all you're doing this for the whole band - not for a single person.
I agree with the above. A blind A/B test is the best way to go, then he'll realise that its the tone he wants. Until they realise it themselves they may not understand. I remember a few year back I was DI-ing the bass amp using the line out and the bassist saw an extra lead connected to his amp and had no idea what it was for. He freaked, disconnected it all and was fuming for the day. I tried explaining it but as mentioned, he went into the defensive mode and it was his way or no way. I know thats the extreme case, but oh the joys of recording
Take DI's, re-amp to your desires. Play him your mix and his mix side by side and if he likes his more, chances are he'll like yours more.
If you don't have DI's, exert even more control. Make it crystal clear to him that he's the one coming to you for recordings because you're the guy that knows how to make shit sound good because presumably he's realised he has no fucking idea how to do it himself. Does that not say it all to him?
There's no harm in being a cunt to your customers. They may not like it but as long as you give them something that was worth the arguments, it's all good. Put your money where your mouth is and give him a really fucking sick mix.
I see most guys here are being good cop while I'm being bad cop.
oh my. D: