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Discussion in 'Symphony X (Unofficial)' started by BARBAROUSSE, Jul 5, 2010.

  1. \m/Øyvind\m/

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    The Septor Elite looks sweet! I'd love to give it a try it, though I'd miss the whammy bar.
     
  3. \m/Øyvind\m/

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    I´m not sure if I really need the whammy bar.
    Have an Esp Horizon and I never use the whammy bar.
    And the Floyd Rose system is nothing but stress.
    I mean, you need to open the string lock every time you are tuning the guitar, and to tune the guitar down is a nightmare. And it´s a lot more easy to change strings on a no FR guitar :(

    But if I one day start´s to use it...

    I guess I rather have a whammy and not need it then need a whammy and not have it:)

    I think I can handle the stress:) I think...

    lol! I also think I just convinced myself to buy a whammy:tickled:
     
  4. Kenneth R.

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    I think it's easier to change strings on a floating bridge.

    Also, once you set up a floating bridge, you do NOT change tunings. Ever. Unless you want to spend 5 hours.

    Plus, the locking tuners keep it in tune better than unlocked.
     
  5. JPX

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    Ernie Ball Music Man BFR JP7
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    Ernie Ball Music Man JPX7 (They sell a 7 string version)
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    Looks sweet!
    But the reason why I am looking at the agile´s is because the brand is still pretty unknown. Therefore they sell good guitars to cheap prices.
    I know a guy who said it felt like playing on a 2000$ guitar when it really cost 675$:dopey:

    Trying to keep it cheap, because next up:
    Engl Savage
    http://www.sound1.com/portal/asp/produktdetalj1.asp?Produkt_ID=1766
    (Not the cheapest site)
    :headbang:
     
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    Fair enough. I have some cheaper Ibanez guitars that sound/feel just as good as their $1,000.00+ counterparts. Sometimes you can find a diamond in the rough if you shop around. For overall quality/tone/versatility/aesthetics/investment/customer support I would always recommend EBMM. I have a 6 string BFR and 7 string JP, both exceptional instruments.

    Also I played a JPX 6 for the first time last night and the painted neck/ebony board is like glass. Awesome sparkle too.

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    I checked Ibanez´s homepage. I did not find any of the guitars you are writing about.

    http://www.ibanez.com/ElectricGuitars/home
     
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    While I'm no huge fan of Petrucci, the JPX is a very nice axe.

    For less money, I have an Ibanez RG1527 that's been rock solid from day 1.
     
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    Meshuggah uses an 8-string (tuned down a half-step) on their newer stuff. The new The Ciem Show album will also feature an 8-string (tuned even lower). It by no means replaces the six-string guitar, but it sure creates some new sounds.
     
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    If I may make recommendations to those interested in seven-strings, I have two, the EBMM JPM (2002 model) and a custom-made Manne Taos Satin Special with all the bells and whistles (coil-tapping, piezo, and MIDI setup).

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    I personally prefer the feel of a six-string to any seven; the JPM has a very thin neck, which makes it tiring on the left hand. Its clean single coil tone is amazing, but I'm not a fan of the pickups in humbucking mode; they're very mid-ranged, and only work if you have a rig like Petrucci himself. I find I need lots of coloration with effects to make it sound the way I want, while the Manne sounds just as good through my Roland Cube as it does my TriAxis. When it comes to comfort, I prefer the Petrucci, as its body size is perfect for me. I find the Manne to be too small (wish I went with the bigger size :erk:), and I can't play it without a strap or else I'm all hunched over.

    My friend has the 30" scale Agile 8. Its longer scale helps the strings breathe a little more and not be so tense. Its also really fun to play as it's like a cross between a guitar and a bass.

    I believe seven-strings are there for more options and tonal range, not to replace the six-string guitar. I can get some more interesting chord voicings out of it.
     
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    Yea tuned in F, and in meshuggah's case the bass plays that F in same octave...probably because if the bass would be tuned to low F it would sound just muddy and not tight enough...more like just air pressure coming from the speakers :D. But maybe with right setup and longer scale bass...it could work, who knows.
     
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    Err...the longer the scale the more tension you need to attain the same frequency (or note). So 30'' would be super tense!
     
  14. GreggSuspyre

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    Hmm...true. I remember calculating the PSI on guitar strings in my Physics of Music class back in the day. But this was easily the slinkiest guitar I've ever felt. Maybe I was just getting confused because of the 9-gauge strings.
     
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    Yeah, the human ear can only hear down to about 20hz, so we're hearing more of the upper harmonic partials rather than the fundamental. The low F that the bass would have to play would be 21.83hz, a major-third lower than the lowest note on a piano (but not quite as low as the one and only Octocontrabass Clarinet, which goes to 15hz). Most people have enough trouble discerning pitch differences below E1 (the open low E string on a standard bass) that anything that low is just pointless.
     

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