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SX and Paradise Lost = Satanic ??

Discussion in 'Symphony X (Unofficial)' started by BuNdi, Mar 26, 2008.

  1. Kenneth R.

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    Good reasoning. Even presenting many different dates- that just casts doubt on any particular result. It doesn't prove that A or B is right, it makes choosing one require more evidence. Statler seems to treat everyone like an enemy. I'm on his side :lol: (Believer, but not young earth) but his argument is terrible.
     
  2. C.J.W.Wyatt

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    It's well known Carbon-14 dating has a limit of about 60,000 years max. Why would they use it to date fossils (id est: ROCKS) in the first place? Potassium-Argon dating would be much more efficient in getting an age.

    http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/

    Take a gander, por favor.
     
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    You don't even need carbon dating to know that if you believe the Earth is 6,000 years old because a 2,000 year old book written by "God" says so, when so many other cultures since the dawn of humanity have said differently, you're crazy. :lol:

    NOW if you are Christian, awesome. If you believe that the bible is God's autobiography, you are insane.
     
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    I see where you are getting at. I thought you were assuming that there's a universal moral code that popular modern religion bestowed upon society haha.
     
  5. DoomsdayZach

    DoomsdayZach The Professor was right

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    I actually agree with Mr. Began on this matter. I think if you were to isolate humans from any religious or moral teachings as a group, just give them a society where they had jobs, food, etc, i don't think they would go aroudn trying to kill one another just for shits n' giggles. There can still be law saying "hey... don't shoot that dude in the head" without a religious justification why it shouldn't be done.

    I don't personally buy that "good" morals and "christian" morals are mutually exclusive to one another. I think most religions took what is common sense and applied it to their belief system because they feel people need to be told what's right and wrong. I mean, hell, we have laws telling people to use that strip of fabric in your car that can save your life (when really it should just be common sense), so why not have the same in religion?

    Besides, it gets back to what began this argument with Statler in the first place. I have morals, i had no christian upbringing. i didn't go to church, didn't have christian parents. I still have a sense of what is right and what is wrong. It may not be universal, but i still have morals.

    Let me make an example of a real life situation. One of the things i firmly believe is that you just don't go after your friends ex. This is not a biblical moral, nor is it anything that's law. It's not adultry i'm talking about, it's simply this: I broke up with a gal a few years back and a few months later one of my good friends started dating her. The history is unimportant, the fact is that this is something i would never personally do to a friend because i just don't think it's cool to fuck a friend's ex. That's my moral choice, i'm not pressing it upon anyone else, but it is something i feel strongly about. I've had chances to hook up with two of my good friend's hot exes and never have taken them because they're important people to me and there are plenty of other chicks out there. The funny thing is that a lot of people DO share this sentiment even though it's not something that i would call society's morals, religious morals or something with legal implications. It's just a common sense of decency and respect.
     
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    I also want to add that there is more than LaVeyan Satanism. Not sure if it was mentioned in this thread, but yes there are actual legit Satanic groups like the MLO for example that worship a deity called Lucifer, Satan, the Devil, etc and believe in the concept of "death before dishonor".
     
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    :lol:
     
  8. Kenneth R.

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    I agree Zach, I hope no one thought I was saying that you can't have morals without religion. Instead, I was saying that most people get their morals from religion either directly or indirectly. Not everyone does.
     
  9. DoomsdayZach

    DoomsdayZach The Professor was right

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    :D

    by the way, in regards to my last paragraph, i have to stress the part of not imposing morals on other people. I still talk to the dude and the ex, there's no friction. Again, it's not something i would personally do because it would make me feel like a shitty person. I've done some stuff that most people would say is wrong regardless of circumstance, but my conscience is clear on because I know where i was at and where my life was at during that time and place. I'll still say that I may not have acted as a noble individual would all my life, but again I have learned from those situations and moved on, not feeling i'm any better or worse of a person because of it.
     
  10. DoomsdayZach

    DoomsdayZach The Professor was right

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    Fair statement. And I will say that religion, for better or for worse, does have a huge impact on society and global culture as a whole. It's everywhere, even on our money. Still, just because it has some influence doesn't mean that this is where I or anyone else gets their moral values from. And just because I don't get my personal morals from any religion (though i do share some morals with other religions, but again to me it is more common sense) doesn't mean no one else does.
     
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    can't we all just get along? :D

    Meh, fuck that.... DECHRISTIANIZE! ::riff riff riff riff::

    just kidding! :lol:
     
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    DoomsdayZach The Professor was right

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    ::plays awesome harmonized lead part::
     
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    -shoves 4 cookies into mouth and starts grunting-

    Science and religion !!!!
     
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    Just because it's not from Earth in no way means it has to be older or newer it could be the same age.
     
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    Well yes of course, however young earth theory believes these are the same age.
     
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    Well actually we do not use it as much as you claim, in the year 2008 geological dating is still considered the more valid dating method and it's hundreds of years old. I'll respnd to your other inqueries tonight after my practice and class.
     
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    Are you serious? Of course I have to rely on other people's research, so does everyone else in this debate. None of use have the time or the funding for that matter to date the Earth. Your argument is ridiculous.
     
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    In order for a new argument to gain validity, you must first cast doubt on the current accepted theory in order for anyone to take a look at the data supporting the new theory. Pretty simple scientific practice.
     
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    Seriously, I'm not much for overly angsty stuff but that's got to be one of the most awesome songs of all time.
     

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